I'm talking about mc spamming rafDidn't the Devil one shot a Xiantian straight after butchering that was the Chu Muchen and Twins fight?
I'm talking about mc spamming rafDidn't the Devil one shot a Xiantian straight after butchering that was the Chu Muchen and Twins fight?
This feels like cope and was something I already complained about. I mean, nothing in the scene implies you actively held back right? It not being enough to kill Su De even if you warn her was disappointingI'd assume Wu Heir massively held back too. Because in the same fight you can have the same result as RAF using solely your Dao against the strongest version possible of the twins(Tyrant Form Augmented by the Ancestral Spear - Fused twins).
So RAF leaves tyrant form Su De with tenfold amplification(Strongest defensive art) at a near-death state.
Meanwhile our Dao alone leaves a far stronger version in the same near-death state.
So our Dao, at its current state, is stronger than RAF? Obviously no. RAF, even at our current state, is comparable to a high-Nirvana spell. The Tyrant Spear meanwhile is Void-1.
So yeah, I have just empirically proven that Wu Heir held himself. Significantly. View attachment 45008
Something that would be interesting in my view regarding Devil Wei possessions would be adding something in the like of what happens in JJK with Sukuna-Yuji.The way Niki writes the Devil is different from the way Niki writes any other character. I don't even know how to describe it like it's not even just about power it's the sheer hubris, God complex, and his view of the world which considers none but Heaven worthy of contempt with all others being inconsequential. The closest reference I can give would be this guy.View attachment 45004
Had that in mind too, mc always holding back unintentionally is a pain. Cause tell me why sometimes it's described body stronger than steel only later to have "white lines" from sword hitsI'd assume Wu Heir massively held back too. Because in the same fight you can have the same result as RAF using solely your Dao against the strongest version possible of the twins(Tyrant Form Augmented by the Ancestral Spear - Fused twins).
So RAF leaves tyrant form Su De with tenfold amplification(Strongest defensive art) at a near-death state.
Meanwhile our Dao alone leaves a far stronger version in the same near-death state.
So our Dao, at its current state, is stronger than RAF? Obviously no. RAF, even at our current state, is comparable to a high-Nirvana spell. The Tyrant Spear meanwhile is Void-1.
So yeah, I have just empirically proven that Wu Heir held himself. Significantly. View attachment 45008
Well, the scene doesn't implies but is what makes the most sense, at least in my view. Otherwise we'd have to agree that not only our Dao alone is stronger than RAF, at our current stage, but also that the fused twins, completely prepared, could survive RAF.This feels like cope and was something I already complained about. I mean, nothing in the scene implies you actively held back right? It not being enough to kill Su De even if you warn her was disappointing
I mean, Wu Heir knows how strong RAF is by a basis and knows how strong are Su De's defenses, otherwise he wouldn't mentally agree that with her absolute defense Su De would be able to barely survive the attack.Holding back doesn't make much sense anyway since you'd have to resign if you failed and Wu heir wasn't going to do that.
Yes, I’ve always assumed that the MC held back in that scene too, especially if you ask her to prepare better. I might be misremembering, but it’s actually a moment where you can’t choose how much Qi to invest, so I’ve always assumed that the MC only used the bare minimum to activate the spell.I'd assume Wu Heir massively held back too. Because in the same fight you can have the same result as RAF using solely your Dao against the strongest version possible of the twins(Tyrant Form Augmented by the Ancestral Spear - Fused twins).
So RAF leaves tyrant form Su De with tenfold amplification(Strongest defensive art) at a near-death state.
Meanwhile our Dao alone leaves a far stronger version in the same near-death state.
So our Dao, at its current state, is stronger than RAF? Obviously no. RAF, even at our current state, is comparable to a high-Nirvana spell. The Tyrant Spear meanwhile is Void-1.
So yeah, I have just empirically proven that Wu Heir held himself. Significantly. View attachment 45008
Exactly. I already said it sucks the move does the same thing we can already do with our dao in an earlier conversation.Otherwise we'd have to agree that not only our Dao alone is stronger than RAF, at our current stage, but also that the fused twins, completely prepared, could survive RAF.
He didn't seem to know she could survive guaranteed. It was more like he knew it can't be withstood and her full defenses might be enough. I'm basically saying it's not a matter of controlling the move but instead unleashing it and hoping for the best.I mean, Wu Heir knows how strong RAF is by a basis and knows how strong are Su De's defenses, otherwise he wouldn't mentally agree that with her absolute defense Su De would be able to barely survive the attack.
It's impossible after all...Just don't insult him
I agreeAll these mental gymnastics over Wu Heir's feats, while Laborer JDF is just "just do it", clear-cut feats backed by actual gameplay lmao. Still, as of right now, it seems like Raf would one-shot Laborer.
I think it really comes down to a fundamental difference in writing philosophy. Anon is way closer to the reader's mindset with his work, while Niki has that rigid, "traditional writer" mindset about what the "right" way to write is, only to end up adapting based on criticism and donations, changing **** completely half-heartedly anyway. That's why no matter what the Wu Heir actually pulls off, this guy's internal monologue is always just so pathetic.
Lmao no. One shot jdf great ape?. Still, as of right now, it seems like Raf would one-shot Laborer.
Yeah it wouldn't transformed normal mc and jack are already beyond Shangtians lol we have already been through this they are mountain busters while poma caps at hill with Yichen the hill tamer people just don't understand how low level poma fights are they don't even destroy the arena even Raf was done inside an arena it doesn't do much Su de can survive it knowing about it at all like idk why we come back to this whole talk over and over but Shangtians are weaker than base jack and weaker than normal mc with transformation that's the difference between these verses.Jack and Mc can destroy Mountains real ones already and are already growing more than that Jack legitimately beats all Shangtians alone.Ac non ascended top tiers cap at country busters where they can one shot a country.Dudes in Poma are made of butter anyone can slice through them or tear them apart while in Ac jack Tanked a hit that sliced a whole mountain his arm got injured badly but it didn't get severed from the body a move like that kills any Shangtian from poma who are tiers below this level.Lmao no. One shot jdf great ape?
Once again I somehow need to come back to this yeah no one is poma can one shot a city lol let alone destroy a mountain.Sukuna was city block tier in that scene so yeah.Also according to niki no one in poma like no S can do what sukuna can do lmaoo
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Niki didn't know mountains take significantly more energy to destroy so he corrected himself poma caps at hill level at best for someone like yichen even
For whatever reason folks had themselves fooled that there was a lot going on there never was it was just the regen and dudes having the durability of butter getting cut all the time.
For comparison I remember when folks were all like wu heir is higher than Thunderfaller even after the fight with Jack
Jack and thunderfaller destroy legit mountains a feat no S in poma can do
Wu heir or poma simply is too low level
Poma only is strong outside the trash world
For reference in AC top tiers who haven't Ascended can destroy a small country the size of Ireland in one hit
So yeah it is pretty clear that AC is way way higher level
Also another thing AC world is chi rich so the planet itself is way more durable according to anon , while poma world isn't like that lol.


I'd assume Wu Heir massively held back too. Because in the same fight you can have the same result as RAF using solely your Dao against the strongest version possible of the twins(Tyrant Form Augmented by the Ancestral Spear - Fused twins).
So RAF leaves tyrant form Su De with tenfold amplification(Strongest defensive art) at a near-death state.
Meanwhile our Dao alone leaves a far stronger version in the same near-death state.
So our Dao, at its current state, is stronger than RAF? Obviously no. RAF, even at our current state, is comparable to a high-Nirvana spell. The Tyrant Spear meanwhile is Void-1.
So yeah, I have just empirically proven that Wu Heir held himself. Significantly. View attachment 45008
Yes, destroying something Destroying a giant black hole and a planetary solar system is like the power of the hillsYeah it wouldn't transformed normal mc and jack are already beyond Shangtians lol we have already been through this they are mountain busters while poma caps at hill with Yichen the hill tamer people just don't understand how low level poma fights are they don't even destroy the arena even Raf was done inside an arena it doesn't do much Su de can survive it knowing about it at all like idk why we come back to this whole talk over and over but Shangtians are weaker than base jack and weaker than normal mc with transformation that's the difference between these verses.Jack and Mc can destroy Mountains real ones already and are already growing more than that Jack legitimately beats all Shangtians alone.Ac non ascended top tiers cap at country busters where they can one shot a country.Dudes in Poma are made of butter anyone can slice through them or tear them apart while in Ac jack Tanked a hit that sliced a whole mountain his arm got injured badly but it didn't get severed from the body a move like that kills any Shangtian from poma who are tiers below this level.
Like once again this shouldn't even be a talk we have done this many times already it's like someone always wants to stir the pot but Yichen would be like 2000 ap dude yeah that's his capacity.Raf with current mc power is Maybe killing a 500 ap person lol and that is being generous to poma since a Su De using fill defence can survive it and Yichen the hill tamer is a 2000 ap guy equal.
Once again I somehow need to come back to this yeah no one is poma can one shot a city lol let alone destroy a mountain.Sukuna was city block tier in that scene so yeah.
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This should be obvious if people bothered to read poma fight fails to do much damage to the environment in general and their planet isn't even reinforced by chi it's not even more durable.
Also niki hasn't even made poma weak or anything he follows the xianxia scaling even for NS a mountain busting feat is way beyond their scope you need to be like realm 7 or 8 to even think about destroying a mountain in xianxia.Dudes gotta stop comparing it with AC which is basically a xuanhuan and shonen mixed or basically a shonen cultivation so it doesn't follow the super slow way of xianxia for power.
Yeah it wouldn't transformed normal mc and jack are already beyond Shangtians lol we have already been through this they are mountain busters while poma caps at hill with Yichen the hill tamer people just don't understand how low level poma fights are they don't even destroy the arena even Raf was done inside an arena it doesn't do much Su de can survive it knowing about it at all like idk why we come back to this whole talk over and over but Shangtians are weaker than base jack and weaker than normal mc with transformation that's the difference between these verses.Jack and Mc can destroy Mountains real ones already and are already growing more than that Jack legitimately beats all Shangtians alone.Ac non ascended top tiers cap at country busters where they can one shot a country.Dudes in Poma are made of butter anyone can slice through them or tear them apart while in Ac jack Tanked a hit that sliced a whole mountain his arm got injured badly but it didn't get severed from the body a move like that kills any Shangtian from poma who are tiers below this level.
Like once again this shouldn't even be a talk we have done this many times already it's like someone always wants to stir the pot but Yichen would be like 2000 ap dude yeah that's his capacity.Raf with current mc power is Maybe killing a 500 ap person lol and that is being generous to poma since a Su De using fill defence can survive it and Yichen the hill tamer is a 2000 ap guy equal.
Once again I somehow need to come back to this yeah no one is poma can one shot a city lol let alone destroy a mountain.Sukuna was city block tier in that scene so yeah.
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This should be obvious if people bothered to read poma fight fails to do much damage to the environment in general and their planet isn't even reinforced by chi it's not even more durable.
Also niki hasn't even made poma weak or anything he follows the xianxia scaling even for NS a mountain busting feat is way beyond their scope you need to be like realm 7 or 8 to even think about destroying a mountain in xianxia.Dudes gotta stop comparing it with AC which is basically a xuanhuan and shonen mixed or basically a shonen cultivation so it doesn't follow the super slow way of xianxia for power.