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Path of martial arts: leaked sneak peaks, and discussing thread

LuciDio

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yeah but chu says Asura is not the wild chi transformation
It's probably mimicry more than anything. Like when you use it to grant yourself animal senses and traits. In the code there's nothing to indicate that it's special, there's no requirement or even a compassion check, just a choice.

If Asuras are separate beings then you probably just mimic their form, but if they are not then maybe an Asura is the actual Transformation and not some demon. No info on that.
 

LuciDio

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Unrelated to the powerscaling but I would like to point out that its complete buffoonery that you can technically get 28 points during all the trials and still only ever be ranked Top 5 after all of that.

The code checks for 23 max points which is dumb because if you get more than than max in every trial ( 8 instead of the max 7 ), you have 24 points. Then you can add 2 more points from an Archon by beating the Fish and staying silent, 1 more for revealing the kitsune announcer naked and 1 more for killing the demonic cultivator at the Dragon Trial. Making a total of 28 possible points that you can aquire on a single run.

I simply can't believe that Jack, AFTER failing the Dragon Trial, has enough Imperial Points to be ranked above you somehow. More than that, a random clown is ranked ahead along with Goro and Brass Tiger. Considering Jack failed the Dragon Trial he then got 3 points max, meaning if he absolutely demolished the other two with 8 points each, he would have to have gotten at least 10 Imperial points to be ahead of the Thunderfaller.

That is ludicrous on its own, but when you consider there's 3 people above him in the rankings after that, it becomes even more crazy. They say Imperial Points are incredibly rare and handed out in exceptional circumstances, but then it appears that Jack has at least 10, The Clown at least 11, Brass Tiger 12 and Goro 13 if you already consider them going above and beyond and getting 8 points in every trial ( fair enough but goddamn ).
 

LuciDio

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Someone made a AC thread yesterday should probably take these discussions about AC there
Yeah you're right, just needed to get that off my chest. If it helps PoMA has the same problem of constantly underchecking the MCs stats even within the normal maximum range. Like you can have anywhere from 10k to 15k in strength at a point when Ruo comes in to talk to you in the meditation chamber, decide to punch him and the game only checks for max 7,5k strength, which is below even the unbuffed maximum.

Wouldn't be a problem if that punch would be effective, but no, I have 14k strength, punch Ruo and need to suffer through him just laughing at me cause I'm weak because the game decided not to take my other 6,5k strength into account. *sigh*
 

God

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Yeah you're right, just needed to get that off my chest. If it helps PoMA has the same problem of constantly underchecking the MCs stats even within the normal maximum range. Like you can have anywhere from 10k to 15k in strength at a point when Ruo comes in to talk to you in the meditation chamber, decide to punch him and the game only checks for max 7,5k strength, which is below even the unbuffed maximum.

Wouldn't be a problem if that punch would be effective, but no, I have 14k strength, punch Ruo and need to suffer through him just laughing at me cause I'm weak because the game decided not to take my other 6,5k strength into account. *sigh*
Well for AC I suppose anon wanted to still keep MC as an underdog. Poma has no excuse.
 

Jorgoe

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I mean that's cool. I'd love to hear your points. You were the guy who did the AI battle thing right?

It'd be cool to see what happens with chapter 8 added in, but I believe it changed a lot tbh. Also I did mention multiple times that the Gates were responsible for the more flashy stuff from both Jack and the Thunderfaller.

But overall I still believe the Thunderfaller is a lot stronger than the PoMA MC after this fight and Chapter 8 in general. Before the fight, when you go to Rin and Jin's trials, Jack summons the meteor in the Entertainment District without the Gate. It does say that his Aura is being spent, but after he summons it, the MC says it's an acre wide and was falling from beyond the clouds. Also after the Archon disperses the meteor Jack is not winded or tired at all, meaning that it's not an all out ult or anything.

If you consider that the Thunderfaller survives a direct impact from that thing before even knowing that there is a gate there, it's safe to say he's a lot more durable than the Wu Heir since we haven't been shown anything that would point to the contrary. I know the Jade Dragon is a cheat mode, but I'll mention that with it on, the Thunderfaller takes literally zero damage from that and the ground breaks without their Aura or body breaking.

As said before, the Yang Bohai slap is probably the greatest durability feat we've seen from the Wu Heir, and it's wanked into oblivion. There is no way the slap was even half a percent of his power, and in general I'd say the slap is just a holdover from earlier versions where Niki allowed crazier stuff to happen when the MC had cheat mode on.

Strength and speed wise I'd say it's closer but maxed Thunderfaller still takes this. During the strength trial if you make it to the end it says that the weight you are carrying is so great that every step leaves shoe imprints in the stone floor. If we assume a standard male shoe size and both feet on the ground then the weight would have to be close to 172 tonnes for something like this to happen if the imprint is only 5cm. Half that if we consider that the stone deforms only step by step. And the Thunderfaller carries that around the whole arena after doing that with lesser weights 10 times.

Speed wise it's harder to tell but at the Rabbit trial, getting first place requires you to run so fast that air resistance becomes a big problem and the air condenses around you. And the Thunderfaller does that for 5+ minutes straight. The speed required for air to begin condense in such a way is mach 0.3 which is a third of the speed of sound in a sustained 5+ minute sprint. If we consider that the Gate is stated to double the Thunderfaller's power though and take above the speed of sound as a descriptor, the speed at the end of the Rabbit trial is 500km/h give or take which is half the speed of sound of sustained speed.

For poisons and regeneration, I'll have to give it to the Heir, because we just don't have a lot for AC. Though in the Dragon trial, you can meet a guy who uses a technique to slash yours and his throat and freezes both of you in place, waiting for you to bleed out so he can take your power. You can beat him, and for that you have to bleed from your throat for 3+ minutes while not being able to do anything, and you are fine afterwards when you rest. With the Jade Dragon Foundation, the Thunderfaller just laughs and literally says that he can't die from blood loss, like all dragons (lol).

Dao wise, the Wu Heir definitely takes versatility, but that's only if you consider potential. Because currently, the Wu Heir is a dummy and not using multiple Dao. This will be probably corrected next update on the LB route. Otherwise, some styles like the Sacred Chi combined with 2 elements give the AC mc a lot of versatility as well.

Currently there's just no evidence besides potential that the Wu Heir can beat them without the Devil, and even then the Devil is hard to scale because in PoMa stats make no goddamn sense balance wise.
I would agree that POMA MC is not as weak as a lot of people think. At least their top 3 in their generation full of genius. But Nikki really have to stop introducing more characters and start developing existing ones. I don't even care about powerlevel. Toxic communities gravitate towards them.

What I really care is giving us a chance to interact with the world and it's people. I want a pet bird and craft weapons. And for the love of god I hope the next update is us leaving the heavenly sect. I hate that place, I want to explore the world of POMA not stuffy place with so many eyes that would knock you unconscious just by breathing the wrong way.
 

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I would agree that POMA MC is not as weak as a lot of people think. At least their top 3 in their generation full of genius. But Nikki really have to stop introducing more characters and start developing existing ones. I don't even care about powerlevel. Toxic communities gravitate towards them.

What I really care is giving us a chance to interact with the world and it's people. I want a pet bird and craft weapons. And for the love of god I hope the next update is us leaving the heavenly sect. I hate that place, I want to explore the world of POMA not stuffy place with so many eyes that would knock you unconscious just by breathing the wrong way.
Are you me? One of my biggest complaints is not exploring the world feels so small since we are either on missions or at the sect. I feel like people tunes would be different, but the reason people think Thunderfaller is stronger is a big part on anon tbh, he’s more expressive and descriptive with his fights compared to Niki. Wu Heir is strong af, but people do not know that because Niki utilizes MC boringly trust me. The same use this element, palm, teleport. Am I wrong or should the void not just be teleportation? People forget Dao is OP is basically represents the truth and laws, you’re not manipulating the established laws you’re willing it into existence. That’s why we will always be stronger than those without Dao, we’ll we should be.
 

LuciDio

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I would agree that POMA MC is not as weak as a lot of people think. At least their top 3 in their generation full of genius. But Nikki really have to stop introducing more characters and start developing existing ones. I don't even care about powerlevel. Toxic communities gravitate towards them.

What I really care is giving us a chance to interact with the world and it's people. I want a pet bird and craft weapons. And for the love of god I hope the next update is us leaving the heavenly sect. I hate that place, I want to explore the world of POMA not stuffy place with so many eyes that would knock you unconscious just by breathing the wrong way.
Thing is yeah he's potentially top 3, and it's kinda undestandable that Ruo is ahead at first because of the money and training, but then again some randos are still apparently stronger than the MC with even less training and obviously less potential and tools.

The MC is not weak by any means, but from a literary point of view, Niki constantly puts him down and doesn't allow him to get a single honest W. Like the last time the MC actually had an honest victory was against Long Chen and even moreso his army of goons that were at the same stage as the MC or lower. Fighting the goons without the Golden Seed and saving it for Long Chen actually felt like the MC was the monster genius he's supposed to be. It makes sense that Long Chen won because he's also a prodigy and 2 stages above the MC at that point, but you still feel like you actually did something cool and memorable.

Every other W the MC gets besides the arena after the Long Chen fight is just laughable. It's constantly stated that now with Qi you can easily outpace everyone at your level and even those above, but we're never given the oppurtunity to do that. Against the DES it feels like a shallow victory with the MC relying on a random powerup instead of their skill. Against the Havoc disciples it feels either the same with the Moon Goddess saving you or like a complete let down where you loose and then get one page describing you just blowing yourself up to scare them and not die.

The Li fight is better but then again it's not the same level. He's not even top 10 and besides it's stated that he's not even strong and just annoying to deal with because of the rot. Against the Blood Hunter Niki dangles the opportunity right in front of us by allowing us to refuse Mei's help but then again cheapens the fight by doing it anyway.

What the MC needs is not just a victory but an honest and cool one, without asspulls, random help from others or the opponent completely embarrasing him first before the MC pulls his **** together.

TL/DR - The MC feels incompetent up to the point where all the glazing for having potential just feels funny. He's strong, but not as strong as he should be after all the work and stats.
 

Benu

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Yeah you're right, just needed to get that off my chest. If it helps PoMA has the same problem of constantly underchecking the MCs stats even within the normal maximum range. Like you can have anywhere from 10k to 15k in strength at a point when Ruo comes in to talk to you in the meditation chamber, decide to punch him and the game only checks for max 7,5k strength, which is below even the unbuffed maximum.

Wouldn't be a problem if that punch would be effective, but no, I have 14k strength, punch Ruo and need to suffer through him just laughing at me cause I'm weak because the game decided not to take my other 6,5k strength into account. *sigh*
At least in aura clash your core checks actually do something, pass a fortitude check and you dont get damage, pass attacks checks and you do more damage, even out of combat the stats and skills give you benefits.

in poma you pass the agility check, dodge the **** weak opponents and still get hit, same with con checks, dont know If It was a bug but last time i played in the final battle i was getting more damage using my perks, talismans and artifacts than when i didnt, the dmg reduction also didnt raised above 45% regardless of my stats, you literally dont feel strong in poma.
 

Benu

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I would agree that POMA MC is not as weak as a lot of people think. At least their top 3 in their generation full of genius. But Nikki really have to stop introducing more characters and start developing existing ones. I don't even care about powerlevel. Toxic communities gravitate towards them.

What I really care is giving us a chance to interact with the world and it's people. I want a pet bird and craft weapons. And for the love of god I hope the next update is us leaving the heavenly sect. I hate that place, I want to explore the world of POMA not stuffy place with so many eyes that would knock you unconscious just by breathing the wrong way.
For the first point of wu heir being a genius, i totally disagree, every fight with any relevant character ends in defeat or pity victories, from tang ruo to long chen, li xiwen, little demon queen, even liu yutai...wu heir only has his level of strength because Tang wei carry him hard, tw is the real mvp here.

About the second i totally agree with you but i doubt the outside world would be safe, with wu heir's luck and nicky's writing the first thing would happen is a xiantian or shangtian coming after us.
 
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At least in aura clash your core checks actually do something, pass a fortitude check and you dont get damage, pass attacks checks and you do more damage, even out of combat the stats and skills give you benefits.

in poma you pass the agility check, dodge the **** weak opponents and still get hit, same with con checks, dont know If It was a bug but last time i played in the final battle i was getting more damage using my perks, talismans and artifacts than when i didnt, the dmg reduction also didnt raised above 45% regardless of my stats, you literally dont feel strong in poma.
Yes, as I said it’s because anon is better at creatively writing fights, and his MC better. I like Poma lore and world better though. I thought one of the reasons he introduced the arena was also to practice his fight writing, it’s usually just one page of your move never mentioned again. It’s all about the impact of storytelling. Wu Heir should be a genius yes we saw it with the spear sister we should be able to create and improve arts, it’s just Niki handicap. Anon is willing to take longer with more branching paths, while Niki does not want to code that much and would prefer a more limited structure.
 

LuciDio

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At least in aura clash your core checks actually do something, pass a fortitude check and you dont get damage, pass attacks checks and you do more damage, even out of combat the stats and skills give you benefits.

in poma you pass the agility check, dodge the **** weak opponents and still get hit, same with con checks, dont know If It was a bug but last time i played in the final battle i was getting more damage using my perks, talismans and artifacts than when i didnt, the dmg reduction also didnt raised above 45% regardless of my stats, you literally dont feel strong in poma.
Yeah I think the core problem is the difference between anon and Niki.

Anon makes you feel like the underdog, yet almost never seeks to embarass you when you're strong enough. As you said the checks actually protect you from damage, grant extra etc. But beyond that, in Aura Clash you feel like all your cultivation and everything you do to increase your power actually matters. The descriptions feel flashy and cool with no unnecessary ego check. He makes you feel like you always have hope to win and win well, without dragging you through the mud all the time.

PoMA on the other hand is a darker world. The comedy is dark and tone appropriate, people are ruthless and there's little room for relaxation. And that's absolutely fine up to a point, but there's one major issue. You are not supposed to be the guy who gets dragged through the mud. The Thunderfaller is the underdog and yet he still gets a chance to be cool and dominate.

While the Wu Heir is made out to be not only a prodigy but also a real cultivator in the world of fake ones and having so many tools at their disposal to be great but still failing to do so. He's the reincarnation of a God, with the Golden Seed which literally makes his moves more perfect passively, with stats that should eclipse anything a Houtian Martial Artist should even hope to achieve ( I believe the monk who is a strength specialist had like 10k strength and he was literally top 1 and Ruo couldn't beat him ) and still Niki makes him struggle not only against others his age which should already be very weird because he's just so beyond them at this point, but also random fodder.

Beyond this constant need to put the MC down, he starts giving out the thing that makes the MC special to others like He Gang. There might be a reason for it, and I'm all for finding out why, but just from a story point of view, what was supposed to be a power fantasy turned into some masochistic fantasy where you constantly have to see your MC just loose and struggle against things he shouldn't.
 

justindeed

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you literally dont feel strong in poma.
This. Also MC is incapable of bare minimum BIQ and using the tools in his arsenal.

FFS just teleporting without restrictions and attack at range with void should be a game changer but he front charges the tourney disciples like a complete moron and gets skewered by lightning and turned the battle into a resistance match.

Most of his feats after the expedition are just that, him just reacting to things happening around him and brute forcing with dao and HP. Mans an overgrown Takemichi from Tokyo Revengers.

0 doubts that Thunderfaller at even a relative level would crush him
 

Benu

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Yes, as I said it’s because anon is better at creatively writing fights, and his MC better. I like Poma lore and world better though. I thought one of the reasons he introduced the arena was also to practice his fight writing, it’s usually just one page of your move never mentioned again. It’s all about the impact of storytelling. Wu Heir should be a genius yes we saw it with the spear sister we should be able to create and improve arts, it’s just Niki handicap. Anon is willing to take longer with more branching paths, while Niki does not want to code that much and would prefer a more limited structure.
True, poma has a lot of fake choices and checks that dont actually change the story to the point i felt more like a spectator instead of a player, once i realized using dao is a waste of qi if you have the stats to fight normaly i never used again, only when forced in the tournament.
 

Jorgoe

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It's a skill gap between Anon and Nikki. Nikki is not a bad author persay to other authors in cog in fact his above and beyond them. But Anon feels like an experienced professional, and I think he has a team that codes for him too.

Another problem is that the forum in cog are either so used to shitty writing or is so afraid to criticize an author that Nikki will never know his short comings because no one would tell him.

But it could just be Nikki's style of writing. It's like art sometimes. Different people have different interpretation even when it's inferior.
 

Xclusivegamer

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It's a skill gap between Anon and Nikki. Nikki is not a bad author persay to other authors in cog in fact his above and beyond them. But Anon feels like an experienced professional, and I think he has a team that codes for him too.

Another problem is that the forum in cog are either so used to shitty writing or is so afraid to criticize an author that Nikki will never know his short comings because no one would tell him.

But it could just be Nikki's style of writing. It's like art sometimes. Different people have different interpretation even when it's inferior.
Doesn't he have a discord ?
Or no one's screaming his shortcomings there too? 🧘‍♀️
 

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I will say he does know shortcomings, and listens imo too much to his mods especially. When I was around like a year ago he did listen too much the mods actually have too much influence. Almost of the nerfs are their fault lol.
 

Arlonb

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I like to believe that it's not just Nicky's fault that POMA isn't as good as it could be, but also largely the fault of the fans, above all the frequent users of the Discord server.

I swear, those guys are crazy. Crazy, I say. I'm by no means a frequent user, it's been months since my last visit there, but I've seen people there asking to nerf the MC, more than once, along with other horrible and pointless suggestions.

I remember they tried the same thing for AC, things like "alchemy needs to be nerfed". Fortunately, Anon is wise enough to recognize worthless advice.
 
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