I still don't understand that concept properly
Will mc's body will not become powerful if he gets next stage in qi cultivation and same for body refining path.
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Will mc's body will not become powerful if he gets next stage in qi cultivation and same for body refining path.
Well ended up dying to the shadow assassins
Who knows?
As everyone knows, consistency is not Nicky's strong suit.
According to my friend, Nicky even said that even without refining the body, Qi Cultivators become physically stronger with advances, albeit much less so than Body Refiners. However, according to TW's message, he could have been killed by mortal weapons if he were just a Qi cultivator, which makes no sense considering that he would still be a god. Even if the increase is minimal, it should be far beyond what mortals could hope to harm.
It seems from the Tang Wei dialogue that advancing stages through cultivation before ascending directly affects your future potential. So choosing Body Refining over cultivating seems counterproductive long term.
Story Mode MC with all Stats in 80 would Dog Walk everyone LMAO
BTW How much to Crits everyone ? is it supposed to be like 2X more than their Stats/Stats Check or 3x More than their Stats/Stats Check ?
Story mc @ 100 should be xiantian, right?
Story mode MC is as strong as narratively possible in the moment. So a strong Peak Houtian.
Whats the difference between advancing stages and ascending? My interpretation was that for every stage, a cultivator could improve their body to a certain peak. After reaching that peak, your progress reaches a bottleneck and you have to advance to the next realm in order to reach the next body peak. If you dont reach the peak while you are in individual realms, you lose those bits of extra unattained potential.
Ill put it simply this way. As a EH, assume your body can be reinforced from 0-10. But you reach cultivation breakthrough at 8. So you lose the possibility of reinforcing your body for those 2 extra points forever. If this man reaches the peak of poma cultivation and the max body reinforcement possible is say 100, he would only have like 80 since he advances through realms prematurely without a care for his physical attributes. Now compare this to someone who tends to strengthen their body to its bottleneck at each realm, this person would be at the same cultivation realm as the former person but with better physical attributes. Person A at peak cultivation but only 80/100 body points, Person B at peak cultivation but has 100/100 body points. This way person B is superior to person A on paper.
I probably did a lot of assumption but this was my interpretation and understanding till now. This is how i rationalized Ruo holding off on advancing despite being able to.
Every body have their own different peaks and bottleneck, which is a requirement to advance, if you don't reach the earliest of your body/potential for a particular stage your advancement fails, crippling you or worse so no, you can't just advance through normal means and if you're talking about artificial means then you have pills but they too just cap your potential or speed you towards it, its not possible(low chance) to advance without maxing out
That seemed to be the case for MAs, where spell power was set and you basically wanted to reach your physical bottleneck. For real cultivators, the only physical stats cultivation directly affects are health and qi power, while body refining is, well, your body.
We can take for a fact that you can ascend by solely body refining or solely cultivating, because Tang Wei speaks as if its possible during his "this god" goofy rant.
So anyway we could assume you'd just lose out on some health and spell power, but I have a feeling it's more than that.
Right but that's assuming they're both at say, Great Circle and one body refined more than the other. The question is what if one is prioritizing Qi Cultivating and another is prioritizing Body Refining. Neither having both.
In which case there's a bunch of possibilities:
1) Qi Cultivator has better spells and HP but Body Refiner is physically stronger in the future. Basically same thing as of now.
2) Qi Cultivator having a better foundation and potential gets more stats on next realm/can body refine more and can eventually edge out body refiner on both body and spells
3) Neither of these but something we don't know as of now.
So what you're saying is that there is a requirement for body stats and anyone who advaces before reaching that requirement cripples themself? In that case both what i said and you said can be true. There is a requirement and a peak. Person A advances as soon as hitting the requirement whereas person B advances after hitting the peak. This makes sense that body refining is required to an extent to cultivate but doesnt make sense to what was being discussed before i got involved.
What Nicky wrote about Qi Cultivators and Body Refining:
"Body Refiners have to raise 3 (well, even 4 with per/vit) attributes, while qi cultivators only need one (qi power)"
"they (Body Refiners) have 'stars'
their qi cultivation will eventually completely collapse
if they don't use it
well to be more precise
they wouldn't have it in the first place
if they weren't intending to duo-cultivate"
"Body Refiners have to raise 3 (well, even 4 with per/vit) attributes, while qi cultivators only need one (qi power)"
"they (Body Refiners) have 'stars'
their qi cultivation will eventually completely collapse
if they don't use it
well to be more precise
they wouldn't have it in the first place
if they weren't intending to duo-cultivate"
Spell power is not set tho for MA's. Advancing increases their spell power, but you're right. MA rely on body refining to innately strengthen themself. Increasing your physical attributes seems to increase the odds of advancing. So 'cultivation' in poma is basically a self destructive mix of regular cultivation and body refining. MA's destroy their body to cultivate their innate qi and subconciously use it all to increase their body stats. This would imply that body refining influences spell power too allbeit in a minimal way. Or maybe its not the case and MA's cultivate their innate qi, strengthen their meridians and refine their body side by side? meaing MA's do both cultivation and body refining in a smaller scale.
How so?
It depends tho. Is qi required to strengthen meridians more than qi required to refine body? Are they both same? At what point do you say a body refiner has advanced? Both process requires qi but the qi is used for different aspects. Does that mean cultivating a certain amount of qi means you're ready for advancement? Does advancement grant you the same stat boost for those who do one of spell cultivation and body cultivation or both? does advancing via spell cultivation lead the cultivator to get better spell stats and advancing via body cultivation means the cultivator gets better body stats? Both stats for those who do both body and spell? Or a common stat for both of them? Im getting more and more confused as im typing this lmao.
Thats interesting but kinda vague ngl lmao I'm trying to work out how its translated into the game mechanically
Right, I meant set in the sense that it doesn't vary in the same stage. A peak houtian will have like 40 spell power for example. We don't ever get to change our spell power until we become a proper cultivator too.
I think it's been mentioned before that POMA MAs are kind of special in how they handle their body in this thread. They have a stronger body at the same stage than the average off-world cultivator.
But the main thing is that without qi you can't as easily surpass your limits like the MC does with proper body refining.
It's just the natural extension of what's in the game already. Each breakthrough you get a little health and the qi power limit is boosted by 10.
While a sole Body Refiner has to like increase vit a tad to reach the same HP boost, and can't increase Qi power past the initial amount.
We don't know for sure. I'm trying to speculate what this all means mechanically, based on what we've already seen.
What we do know about Body Refining is that:
- Body Refinement takes more qi and xp past a certain point (currently past the 60 stat mark, you need like 15k xp to advance 1 in one stat)
- Tang Wei says that you shouldn't walk the path of the body refiner if you don't have the confidence, the manuals and treasures to do so, which would explain the previous barrier
- Tang Wei says (paraphrasing) that you should advance to the last stage of each realm before advancing, or not. I don't remember the exact words he used, but it seems you can advance realms without doing that, and it has some negative effect on your potential.
Yes, from what I understand, reaching the limit is not a requirement for advancement, both in Qi Cultivation and Body Refinement. I mean, as far as the body is concerned, it is literally impossible to reach base 100 even in a single stat, even in Heavenly, much less in all of them (at least so far). As for cultivation, TW says, "Throughout Qi Refining you will refine qi into gaseous strands. Form as many of them as you can, as it will directly affect your strength and potential in the future." By inference, we can say that someone who advanced to Qi Sea while in Qi Refining (Late) will be weaker than someone who advanced to Qi Sea while in Qi Refining (Great Circle) and will also have limited future potential in comparison.
But honestly, I don't think it makes much sense for us to speculate on how this potential thing applies to mechanics. Not because it's useless, but because I doubt Nicky would bother to make this system very detailed.
Fair enough, it will probably not be something very complicated. Hell, the game kind of encourages you to dual cultivate.
Yes, according to my friend, Nicky has even said that duo-cultivate is canonical. Personally, I think the whole “specialization” thing is just for gameplay.
Bro is cooked
How old is chu muchen btw? Is he almost 30? Or he is early 20 as well? i don't think so