I want to take this as a joke but i cant. Just reading this gives me the feeling you get when you know your sports team are **** and will lose before the game but you refuse to accept it and cope hard.
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Path of martial arts: leaked sneak peaks, and discussing thread
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You are overthinking it too much even heavens can't kill gods and had to scheme so much and also had other folks helping in that scheme to even put a god in weakened state and that god himself was trying things deliberately which would make himself vulnerable if tang wei wasn't trying to do that heavens wouldn't be able to do anything and let's not forget butterfly f*cking him over it took so much to do all that even then he wouldn't die that's why Heavens likely wanted SLM to destroy poma World so stuck 1 hp tang wei can be killed and even there it needed schemes to get SLM to work.
The heavens hate COP because it is the fastest route to godhood and if they aren't harmed and get the right help you get a guaranteed God the heavens doesn't want a God not even 1 since heavens cannot kill them each God while nit as strong as SLM still can escape from her without harm and combined and can put her to sleep that's how human Gods are still at the top.
Heavens already has an issue with humans in general since their fate is in their own hands and COP just makes it all easier other species unlike human have built in limits while humans don't .So the beasts who reach godhood are allowed by heavens while the humans cannot be stopped they reach the peak on their own it's why heavens have a hate boner for humans and COP as I said is the prime example of it so the biggest hate boner.
Also heavens isn't one proper entity it contradicts and f*cks over itself a lot too according to niki and gets mad over it Schizo a*s heavens in poma lol.
But yeah godhood is the peak for a reason even to Kill one they need to do so much and this is when one tries fighting a god can always escape poma gods have great defense.
So yeah heavens issue is that no one should reach godhood and COP makes it a sure deal if they aren't harmed.
SLM is used a proxy for a reason since heavens cannot do much to gods and even SLM herself cannot if gods didn't care about other planets getting destroyed since niki said every single god can easily escape .
Also as you said if niki removed any concrete rules from the book you will be disappointed so you see it isn't about COP being limited or anything the verse itself has a final stage and that's godhood that is the BIGGEST rule even more strict than the one of Ruo since Ruo's rule is not even concrete it is something that is done by heavens and maintained by it while godhood as a stage isn't heavens doing it is the peak of the verse made by niki . There isn't anything after it and that is the real rule independent of whatever heavens tries as godhood has nothing to do with heavens as the gods are already out of heaven's grasp.
So the hardset Rule about the verse is godhood for a reason same reason why all gods are still relative in power even though someone like dream weaver should be nothing he is basically opposite of COP in potential and yet the final stage is the same he was able to reach the apex it's niki's way of showing talent isn't the only thing.COP basically makes it all easy and will also allow the person to create a lot but power wise the gods all stay relative even if Sovergien is slightly stronger.
So again Heavens doesn't want anyone reaching godhood and COP makes it a sure deal so that's why the hate and trying to f*ck them over.
Also if niki wanted to break all the rules for this mc wouldn't he want to right that and show it like how there is actually anything beyond godhood even though there isn't but still if he wanted to write he could have with this mc since he is the author but there is a reason he doesn't even wanna write past NS wu heir will reach godhood his throw away line and then be done with it and how he has been trying to show it each time how gos are relative in power even though the huge talent difference among many of them niki has made it clear time after time COP is what makes reaching that place(godhood) easy.Gods are out of heaven's grasp while SLM even being supercharged by heavens and being stronger still cannot kill one nor can she trap one as they all can escape.
Anyways I doubt WU heir even reaches godhood whatever new story will be in nikiverse i doubt it will show what Wu heir or Maybe niki might throw us a bone and in one of the epilogues show WU heir reached godhood.
Also you deffo are Wu heir's strongest Soldier ever(Compliment).
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Heavens in Xianxia cannot actually be properly compared to gods. They can't just kill whoever they want. Their intrinsic nature binds them. If heavens unleashed their absolute full power, no god can actually match them
Nah although I don't have any proof, By Xianxia logic, Primordial Chaos or anything related to primordial chaos is either tied to the ACTUAL highest cultivation realm, or just completely transcends heaven and cultivators entirely. If Nicky genuinely writes the journey to godhood, There is a 99% chance COP turns out to be something you need to become the embodiment of primordial chaos or something
Standard Xianxia Heavens, not anything unique to Nikiverse. Tho it's genuinely funny how Heavens ****s themselves over in most webnovels lol.
You misunderstand, I was not talking about Dao Children No Godhood Rule, I was saying that a Dao once formed cannot be erased is actually the only only strict rule we know about (LB says this in your first meeting as her disciple). We truly don't know why Dao Children cannot get to godhood, If it is because their dao is ruined then they should not be able to get to godhood no matter what, if that is not the reason then Nicky can do whatever he wants.
'Current Knowledge' I guarantee you 120% there is another realm above godhood (usually Dao Creator or Dao Ancestor in most novels). I bet you that If there is no realm after godhood, I will eat my left shoe.
Poma is a story about breaking rules, and MC and Ruo can do things thought impossible. I just think that a Xianxia story needs balance, If there are strict rules that cannot be broken no matter what then the Xianxia loses some of its essence. If the author is just disregarding any rule of his with no regard just for the sake of hype with no reasonable explanation then that is cause for disappointment. A good reason that makes sense is enough for me, but most authors can't even provide that. There being a realm above the highest thought possible is a Xianxia staple and it happens in every webnovels ever.
I am going to be honest dude, I am wu Heir's strongest soldier. If wu heir had Dao Child physique, I would be arguing why Dao Children can become gods.
Nicky's screenshots like the one I shared in a previous comment is the source of this lore. I read through most of them is other to be properly informed and spread the word of the greatest genius ever born, Wu Heir. The 'Once a Dao is formed, It cannot be Broken' rule is from the IF. LB tells you this the first time you meet her as her disciple when she tells you the grade of your dao seed. Nicky is the retcon monarch and I have no problem with him changing any amount of lore as long as it doesn't nerf Wu Heir, and keeps Bum Ruo down. Nobody actually minds the retcons but the 'Once a Dao is formed, It cannot be Broken' Rule is the only one stated in the IF to be one of the very very few unchangeable things in the entire Nikiverse. Nicky can just as easily say that that rule doesn't apply to Ruo but the question is why would he? POMA is a very traditional Xianxia story at its core with all the tropes, Godhood would be sooooooooooo late in the story that Ruo would stop being a pseudo-deuteragonist at that point and would lose most of her relevance, our attention would be most taken by the final cast, those being the gods, immortal emperors, heavens, beast gods, the strongest people in the verse basically. Why would Nicky even tell us the the 'Daochild No Godhood' rule if he wanted Ruo to reach godhood? There was no need to even create that rule since it is a Ruo exclusive rule because we don't know if other dao children currently exist. It would look insanely lame if we got a line in the prologue where it says that Ruo became a God anyway.
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Oh I know you are the strongest Soldier it is funny. Also the main thing is it doesn't matter the story of wu heir ends at NS my brother the thing about xianxia Staples doesn't work even more once again since this story ends too early and also Nikolai wants to do things differently than the usual but anyways once again none of that matters.Since the story will never even reach past NS let alone godhood or anything above.
Also the screenshot is from 2024 when niki was more secretive about things it's too old really you can ask him about things now and he wil reveal more many of the shangtian tiers patreon users have and niki have outright said godhood is the end even fee days ago this was asked.Since 2024 niki has made his lore more concrete.
Niki doesn't want to break his own lore nowe even though we joke about him retconning.
Also once again I did say that as a compliment it is funny as hell how you go gaga over wu heir.
It is just that you are setting yourself for disappointment even though some of your points do make sense but the story is ending way before anything real happens.
Once Again Maybe all poma players can collective get 100k usd and bribe Nikolai to continue Wu heir story.
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'Our' theory
Thanks for the compliment
The Xianxia staples theory works because the story ends at NS, With Nicky being a Xianxia Traditionalist, We can assume that the unwritten latter part of the story follows the standard tropes. You don't have to assume, It's just my headcanon.
How will it be a shock and hype moment if we 100% there is a realm above divinity. Nicky is so secretive and you are expecting him to just expose the biggest reveal in the entire story. This is assuming that Nicky wants to continue POMA after book 1 concludes since everything that comes out of that man's mouth are straight lies. I wouldn't be surprised if Nicky Retconned even the statement where he said Poma ends at NS.
Oh Dude believe me, I have absolutely no hope that POMA will continue past NS. We are debating your point that Ruo can become God, If Poma ends at NS then you will have to accept that Ruo is never becoming a god. Nicky doesn't want to break the lore and says Godhood is the end because it doesn't matter, Nobody other than Wu Heir possesses the potential and talent surpass godhood and Wu Heir's story ends when he reaches NS. Nicky is the Retcon Monarch and Xianxia Traditionalist, There exists a higher realm than godhood, I can't prove it but I know it 100% exists, you don't have to believe me though, that's just my headcanon, you can have yours, friend.
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Oh the hypothetical I made was only about one thing really and I didn't know we were still on the lizard's tipice. if we get Wu heir story then niki will get his favourite Ruo there too Niki is the retcon monarch sure but he is trying not to be one now except when it comes to helping Ruo then he outright says if Ruo looks too bad he will just change it.
Also it is the talent thing you talk about where I just really have a very different belief Dremweaver being 0.0000000001/10 talent compared to someone like ruo who is 10/10 basically Dremweaver reaching the absolute peak with nothing and how Yue yan talked about most gods came from trash worlds imo show how niki wants to say anyone can reach the top it is possible for anyone talent just makes it easier.
Also niki being secretive? Now not at all and what hype moment tho once again the hype moment doesn't exist it isn't even relevant for us since NS in the end why would nuku even waste that further possibility of a higher power with this mc when this mc's story is ending so soon it would not be hype at all it will be even more of a gut punch then it already is.
Imagine this in epilogue
" You surpassed all the gods and even the heavens and reached the absolute peak"
The end
That's worse than what we already have lol.
Right now the possibility is a throwaway line about becoming god but if the throwaway line would be more than god and that there is no hype it's just a pat on the head lol.
Anyways I don't think either of them Ruo or Mc will be talked about much in future story unless as I said before he gives us a throwaway epilogue and niki isn't even a xianxia traditionalist whenever I have talked to him in dms and even in poma server or a few of my friends have he was trying to do things differently hell there is a reason he made someone who should be so op look underwhelming for so long.
Also even if the hypothetical stage exists sadly wu heir ain't getting there.Maybe he will do it with another mc but his other story plans was to only get that mc to Immortal stage.
Niki has the chance to make one great long saga from nothing to godhood but bro just dislikes WU heir so much.
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I would go on a 5 year break if I had to write that sh*t too. Why is Nicky subjecting himself to the most extreme form of self-torture imaginable? Is it because he is russian?
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Wu Heir is Nicky's new favourite. The ratio between amount of wins and aura moments that wu heir has and the amount of Ls and aura loses that Ruo has tells me everything I need to know.
I mispoke, I meant COP is particular since it is somehow connected to primordial chaos. Dreamweaver is kinda that guy and is built different, Ruo is not built like DW to be honest. DW is a very very very extreme example of a god. We don't know about his circumstances, he could literally be the good version of Fang Yuan for all we know.
The story will continue beyond NS, Nicky told me, Trust
His story feels traditionalist. I actually like it this way, When I say Xianxia Traditionalist I did not mean the standard Martial Slop like MGA, Invisible Dragon and Primordial Dual cultivation system with dragon. Just saying those names nearly caused Qi Deviation in me. Traditionalist does not mean writing average slop but rather that you do something new while still having the basic Xianxia framework and story structure. LOTM is an example of a purely Anti-Traditionalist Xianxia to the point where it cannot even be called a Xianxia. Reverend Insanity is an example of Anti-Traditionalist Xianxia that can still be called a Xianxia.Imagine this in epilogue
" You surpassed all the gods and even the heavens and reached the absolute peak"
The end
That's worse than what we already have lol.
Right now the possibility is a throwaway line about becoming god but if the throwaway line would be more than god and that there is no hype it's just a pat on the head lol.
Anyways I don't think either of them Ruo or Mc will be talked about much in future story unless as I said before he gives us a throwaway epilogue and niki isn't even a xianxia traditionalist whenever I have talked to him in dms and even in poma server or a few of my friends have he was trying to do things differently hell there is a reason he made someone who should be so op look underwhelming for so long.
Nobody other than Wu heir can get to that hypothetical stage. If Nicky has a God as the MC then maybe otherwise no way.
Nicky actually doesn't dislike Wu Heir, the recent updates have Wu Heir aura farming like never before. Nicky just thinks that Wu Heir's journey would be extremely easy because he is literally the most talented being of all time in Nikiverse.
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You might honestly be spot on cause I remember that her father was a cultivator so she maybe from the rogues side. But she is an irrelevant bum anyways.
stats.gold=Btw, yall know the console command for funds? also talents please if anyone knows how to.
Mate, stop comparing POMA to some regular xianxia lightnovel/webnovel. Not to mention that every xianxia novel has some differences in their powersystem but Poma isn't a traditional xianxia made by some Chinese or Korean dude, it's something being made by a Russian and there's already been quite a lot of deviation from normal xianxia tropes.
Stop trying to pass your half baked xianxia lore as POMA lore. Also... no. How many xianxia actually have "primordial chaos" related realms? primordial chaos is something that some mcs can usually use or absorb to enhance their cultivation but never have i ever seen or read of any xianxia where a cultivator manages to get to a point where they can safely use let alone master primordial chaos.
The heavens ****ing themselves over is cause the "heavens" isn't a singular thinking entity. in most xianxia and in chinese mythology, the heavens represent the will of the universe which is ever changing and is actually made up of multiple minds. The universe has no personality, think of it like the warp in warhammer, it has no inherent personality, the warp twists and changes to reflect the personalities of the people in the material world.
Read the true traditionalist ones like sage monarch, mortals journey, martial god asura and tell me that the nikkiverse is anything akin to them. If anything, it's more in line with the modern almost satirical slop. Too much over the top violence, very lacking in the societal ascpect (bowing, kowtowing and the traditional long winded way of speaking), battles are fast pace as opposed to the slower paced battles in traditional xianxia (since in traditional xianxia qi takes a lot of time to recover, so wasting as little is the goal which means not so flashy battles that are very long drawn cause cultivators have alot of stamina), the training and cultivation parts are an afterthought. Not to mention alchemy, artifact making, array setting.... they are mentioned but never shown and given weight even though in a traditional wuxia or xianxia, they would be very important. Even if it's not the mc that's doing the alchemy, alchemy and other secondary cultivator proffessions are usually given a level of reverence in xianxia.
Also.... LOTM is not xianxia in the slightest, it's a steampunk-esque fantasy with some xianxia elements since the writer is chinese and most likely grew up with xianxia-esque fantasy. it's like saying that the dance of an Indian breakdancer is actually just "untraditional bharatnatyam" since the indian dude mixed in some of his cultural dance steps into the breakdancing. Reverend insanity oscelates between being a traditional wuxia and traditional xianxia, just cause it doesn't have flashy elemental qi fights and is more tactical doesn't mean it's non traditonal.
Read some older xianxia and actually traditional xianxia. Qi is rarely used, fights are long and drawn out since both qi and bodily damage are long and resource heavy to recover and thus the goal of fights is usually to get the other cultivator to back off rather than kill them outright, and cause cultivators are able to think at much higher capacity thus every move is tactical. POMA is none of those things, it fits right in with the newer slop-like fast paced mc overpowers their enemies that were popularized in the late 2010s.
...Have you read the novel dawg? It has tropes of Xianxia. Nicky might have deviated a lot but so have a thousand others. Many Xianxia have been made by people outside china and korea. If it ain't a Xianxia then what is it? A Xianxia isn't just a set of tropes, It's a progression fantasy genre where novels follow a pretty standard cultivation system (early realms are mostly fixed like golden core and nascent soul and later realms may have different names) with majority of lore borrowed from Chinese Mythology
Chaos Physique, Yin Physique, Dao Child, Swordsman with a dragon bloodline, Jade Beauties, Young Masters. Poma Lore isn't some completely original lore, Much of it is taken from chinese mythology and Xianxia tropes. What do you even take as lore? The info in the book or author statements? The established lore is clear, Ruo can't become a God and neither does their exist a realm higher than a god and gods are relative to each with each excelling at some different aspect and SLM is stronger than Sovereign in a straight up fight with no prep time. Happy?
Grandmist controllers from the I Eat Tomatoes universe which include Stellar Transformations and Coiling Dragon which can control grandmist which is primordial chaos (Chinese translation of Hong Meng which can translated as Vast Mist or Primordial Chaos). Primordial Chaos Dao Ancestor from RMJI also can cultivate the Law of Chaos. Eternal Life from RI requires Conquering the Chaos but the only dude that tried it (LDV) died so that is an example of Primordial Chaos being above Heaven and Cultivators.
Did Nicky say that somewhere or something? We know from TW's words that the world was created by the heavens, it creates based on instinct using dao and qi. It is unconscious and yet it schemes. It possesses similarities to the warp tho. The heavens reflect the mortal world in chinese mythology with the celestial bureaucracy but you are gonna have to prove that that is the case in Poma. You told me to stop passing Xianxia lore as POMA Lore so do the same. All I have said are assumptions, I am not the author, It's just what I think would be the case based on the patterns I see. I could be wrong.
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I have only read MGA (got bored and dropped) and RMJI (ongoing and liking it so far). Is safe monarch good? I read most of them on suggestions and popularity. It's not really a whole lot like them but it is similar in some aspects. I was comparing them to the newer Xianxia cause that's mostly what I have read. Traditionalist was the wrong word to use if you consider the older Xianxia.
Nicky said that the outside world is far more traditional and more in line with traditional Xianxia. Alchemy, Arrays and Artifacts making in Pomaland is not that good so it isn't given a lot of importance. Secondary professions are apparently crazy good in outside world since there exist pills that get you to Nirvana Radiance in one go.
"LOTM is an example of a purely Anti-Traditionalist Xianxia to the point where it cannot even be called a Xianxia." "Cannot even be called a Xianxia" I am saying the same thing. It has few Xianxia elements but it is mostly a mystery novel (One of the few I read all the way through, insanely good, highly recommend). Reverend Insanity has very tactical fights and political scheming cause the author can write those fights and schemes. RI is very much flashy, The attacks may not be that strong compared to traditional Xianxia but that doesn't mean RI is any less flashy. Killer moves go crazy in some parts. RI is non traditional cause it doesn't have the classic qi refining, foundation establishment, golden core and nascent soul style power system but instead uses the unconventional gu system and 1 to 9 Rank system. Gu are a minor thing is most Xianxia but RI has Gu as it's main power system, This Power system was designed for tactical fights.
I think you misunderstood my use of traditionalist, a Xianxia that retains its basic structure is Traditionalist Xianxia to me. I excluded MGA and other slop because it is slop. Started MGA and didn't like so dropped it early, read Martial Peak manhua and got bored after 300 chapters or so after it got repetitive, Read Emperor Domination till chapter 100 or so and then dropped it. The only Xianxia I have read to a decent degree are from Er Gen (ISSTH and RI), I Eat Tomatoes (Coiling Dragon), Reverend Insanity (Fully Read and my favourite novel), RMJI (Ongoing and not dropped), LOTM (Fully Read) is the only non Xianxia Chinese story I have read. Currently rereading Reverend Insanity and going to start RTOC. Spoiled myself a lot with Reverend Insanity and dropped it at northern plains arc but read it through.
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