Good news for parasocial weirdosSpeaking of Night Market (which I absolutely despise) it seems the author has found a new way to get more money while doing zero progress on writing the actual IF.
I just can't with these scummy "authors".
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$20 for something the fans can organize on their own. Its like paying for laundry when you have a washing machine at home. It would be understandable if it was a big IP, but thats not the case too.Speaking of Night Market (which I absolutely despise) it seems the author has found a new way to get more money while doing zero progress on writing the actual IF.
I just can't with these scummy "authors".
wow! i hope my created character gets sidelined in here as well!Speaking of Night Market (which I absolutely despise) it seems the author has found a new way to get more money while doing zero progress on writing the actual IF.
I just can't with these scummy "authors".
I'm sorry, but I think Touchstarved is going to end up being just like Call Me Under. I once stumbled across those character relationship charts with arrows going back and forth between characters, showing that several of them were in love with each other. If I remember correctly, that fox guy was also flirting with other characters. I've become wary of games with too many ROs and a faceless, passive MC. Maybe that's why I tend to prefer yandere VNs.
That's another thing I disliked about the Bewitching Sinners sequel.
Palmier is flirting with half the cast (yes, I know he's supposed to be a manwhore), but apparently MC is just expected to accept that without a word, despite being told they're his first love. I also still don't understand why the VN's page has a header of him fondling his uncle's ? chest. I didn't even know Ivar was related to him until the sequel, especially considering we could flirt with him in the first game...
And then there's Conri, who straight-up assaults Palmier at one point, and Palmier just lets him. What's especially frustrating is that the first game established Palmier as the most feared witch, yet here he comes across as almost pathetic. I know there's supposed to be some history between them and something preventing Palmier from retaliating, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating to just sit there and watch everything unfold. You have no real option to show jealousy or disapproval, let alone break them apart, rescue Palmier or kick the wolf's ***. The closest you get is an option to make the first move on Palmier before Conri does. It's the first time I've genuinely despised a LI.
I remember how much I loved the VN and how excited I was when I heard about the IF. I thought the IF format would allow for more player input and interactivity, which was something I was particularly looking forward to. That, and the fact that she'd mentioned Reed's confession would be more angsty in the IF. But after playing Fool Me Once and being underwhelmed by the romance and endings, I already knew Perfumare IF wasn't going to be what I'd originally hoped for.This isn't really a criticism since I liked it enough to play twice, but Perfumare Avulsion is like meh compared to the VN version. It's still worth reading but the story was, imo, clunky, I was just skipping away at parts and no not because i already knew what was gonna happen (no one ask me how many times i read shepherds of haven).
Like we didn't need all the training/past stuff who caresss, I much preferred the vn confessions too, a lot more dramatic, and the ending was so nicely wrapped up. The art really set the setting. Something to think about if you're between making a vn or if....longer and wordier doesn't necessarily mean better and the art doesn't have to be perfect to complete the story
The thing is, once you're locked into a romance, you basically become a passenger in it. You don't get any more choices that actually pertain to the relationship. All the romantic initiative comes from the RO. They're the ones initiating kisses, touches, hugs, sleeping on the MC's lap, and so on. You're mostly just reading about it rather than actively participating. And once the romance locks in, the ending isn't far off.
On top of that, the MC seems to constantly rebuff the RO's advances, push them away or tell them to tone it down, refuse a kiss or stop things from escalating, regardless of how you've chosen to play them. Like, what? Can we at least let them kiss? The romance scenes are already few and far between, and they're not particularly detailed to begin with. It's frustrating when the game gives you so little romantic content and then has the MC turn down the affection that's actually offered.
I also don't really understand the training addition. Reed has two endings: one where you escape with him, which is basically a very short epilogue about how his father helps you get away and join his mother in her country (I don't remember all the details, but I thought he didn't get along with his parents?). And that's it. The other ending wasn't particularly fulfilling either.
Her games do a nice job of building up the story and romance, but the actual endings fall flat.
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I don't mind characters having history between each other, or them ending up with each other if you not romancing them. But If relationship between MC and RO's won't feel more special than whatever RO's had between each other - that's a no, thank you. From what i've read in ch1 preview of TS, It didn't feel like MC was sidelined, every RO's attention was on them and there won't be any poly routes, as far as i know. I have high hopes, but we'll see.
I dislike a lot of things about Bewitching Sinners, but something just hooked me and I am so weak to this messy man... I started first game because i liked Palmier and this other Palmier is the reason i will play the sequel.
Conri should just eat sh*t and die in a ditch. A lot of ways to to pick up on his bullsh*t and even with them, MC still can't do much. Like, wdym you just been threatened by this stupid dog few hours ago and then siting with him, watching stars, talking - like nothing happened? MC being their own character - ease my frustrations a bit. Hope they will get more proactive and smarter.
About Palmier fondling Ivar, wasn't it implied, in the ending of the first game, that he ****ed some version of Ivar in some other universe? Not a big fan of the idea, yeah.
Also, i remember dev wanted to make selfcest route for the first game lol
Exactly this
I avoided Touchstarved because I heard that they work on the absolute trash heap that is The Arcana and I wasn't going to waste my time again.
It was quite disappointing since the idea wasn't that bad. I wanted to see how that IF would turn out, but well, today it's dead. I guess the only RO we met in the demo was the neighbor, which was so short and mc hated them. At least on the bright side the side stories was free lmao
I also hated that scene. Like, it would only work if mc isn't threatened by him or is suspicious of him, but in every route, it just feels so bizarre—especially since he still tries to put on his charming persona. I never got it, is he even an Li? Conri always seems so disgustingly obsessed with Palmier, hating mc since Palmier likes them and not to mention all the assault
The only satisfaction is that he completely loses his mind and blows up with anger when you are on Palmier's route. I honestly loved seeing him fumming and being unable to do anything about it, lol.
I don’t mind characters having history too, but IMO, that history can still make their relationship feel more special than whatever the MC gets to have with them. This is something that's already been debated, rehashed and talked over, so I won't go into it too much, but I'm really not a fan of ROs ending up together regardless of whether we're romancing them or not, or the MC joining an already established poly relationship (instead of starting one at the same time) where the other two characters have their own history that they keep bringing up, inside jokes and arguments about their past, while your MC is basically reduced to being the third wheel and therapist.
I never liked Palmier, apart from the Palmier we play, whom I deliberately played as nice so the other characters would hate the real Palmier even more. He was described as this despicable, powerful character who treats his friends and boyfriend like ****, lies to them, flirts with and bones everything that moves, has some questionable morals and has done some pretty shitty things. But now we're supposed to get his redemption arc? I remember we could make some mean choices in the sequel, which was a breath of fresh air, and he would disapprove of them. I was like, boy, you can't be lecturing me of all people. Where did your chaos-loving self go? Don't tell me it was all an act and you're secretly an angel. Buuuuuummer.Yeah, crazy, and she was originally planning to make a sort of DLC where we could romance Ivar as Palmier, back when we didn't know they were related. I also remember her mentioning that it would be difficult to make it work with a male MC because of Ivar's hatred of men. But she ended up making a sequel where we romance him with a new MC instead
.This is why I can't really comprehend him being an RO. He feels much more like a rival. I did the same, but it wasn't particularly satisfying. It felt more like giving in to Palmier's puppy eyes and saving him to spare him from getting assaulted again, rather than actually getting one over on Conri. Like, we hug him and save him through the power of love. It felt more like an act of pity than love, without even getting the satisfaction of rubbing it in Conri's face.
Like, better the person Palmier (whose wandering eyes and tongue the MC has to put up with) met only recently, declared his love to through some tongue-kiss mind-reading nonsense (which, BTW, was Conri's advice
, given during their "reunion" that was basically SA and nearly enough to make me reconsider picking that choice), than Conri saving him. The supposedly big, scary, powerful witch can’t actually do much to stop Conri ?
And don't even get me started on the fact that the MC doesn't even try to use that mind-reading ability to tell Palmier about Conri and their cousin knowing about Palmier, and the whole plan. Or, at the very least, to tell him how Conri has been treating them behind his back.
No, Conri deserves worse than simply having his ex stolen from him. I regret to say I fell for Conri's act the first time we met him and saved him. Joke's on me for believing he'd be one of the ROs who'd be head over heels, or rather, head over paws, for the MC, what with all that rubbing and sniffing. And I don't even remember Palmier recognising him?
None of the LIs seem particularly loyal or like they have eyes for the MC alone, apart from Osgar (whom I hope was lying when he said he doesn't love the MC or want to marry them) and Arshem. Fae bfs
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Like, better the person Palmier (whose wandering eyes and tongue the MC has to put up with) met only recently, declared his love to through some tongue-kiss mind-reading nonsense (which, BTW, was Conri's advice
, given during their "reunion" that was basically SA and nearly enough to make me reconsider picking that choice), than Conri saving him. The supposedly big, scary, powerful witch can’t actually do much to stop Conri ?And don't even get me started on the fact that the MC doesn't even try to use that mind-reading ability to tell Palmier about Conri and their cousin knowing about Palmier, and the whole plan. Or, at the very least, to tell him how Conri has been treating them behind his back.
No, Conri deserves worse than simply having his ex stolen from him. I regret to say I fell for Conri's act the first time we met him and saved him. Joke's on me for believing he'd be one of the ROs who'd be head over heels, or rather, head over paws, for the MC, what with all that rubbing and sniffing. And I don't even remember Palmier recognising him?
None of the LIs seem particularly loyal or like they have eyes for the MC alone, apart from Osgar (whom I hope was lying when he said he doesn't love the MC or want to marry them) and Arshem. Fae bfs
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Coming in to grumble. You know how sometimes you read an IF and a side character gives you big 'oh yeah, it's the author's beloved OC' vibe? Well, I played Ballad of the young gods today, and every time MC started glazing the professor, I wanted to roll my eyes. Legit, at least four screens were spent on describing how *perfect, cool, intimidating and smart* she is. That's...arguably more/about the same that was spent introducing some of the ROs... And, once again, of course, there is no option to be meh about the precious OC, or dislike her on principle if you are an arrogant brat.
Also don't get me started on one of the ROs: V legit tries to strangle MC during the first meeting, and in a game where you have Aloof and Cautious as personality stats, you can be mean/wary of them for 0.5 hours of total in-game time, and then it's back to usual programming! No, you don't get an option of avoiding someone who almost killed you during a psychotic episode! How about you go eat lunch with them instead! Yeah, three times. Also, come, sit with them during the lectures!
Like, man, why set up something so polarising but strip MC of the ability to react to it consistently??
Also don't get me started on one of the ROs: V legit tries to strangle MC during the first meeting, and in a game where you have Aloof and Cautious as personality stats, you can be mean/wary of them for 0.5 hours of total in-game time, and then it's back to usual programming! No, you don't get an option of avoiding someone who almost killed you during a psychotic episode! How about you go eat lunch with them instead! Yeah, three times. Also, come, sit with them during the lectures!
Like, man, why set up something so polarising but strip MC of the ability to react to it consistently??
...and that's how I find out the full version of pfm is out lol
Ngl, I adore Rook's ideas, writing, aesthetics and the characters she comes up with (Lotar and Reed are my absolute favs), but omg every time we get to the ending it feels super rushed
Darling, Darling, Dead had the same problem. It just started getting fun, and then BAM! the end.
This is one of the things that bothers me - in the first game Palmy and Ivar were with fixed sexuality's, and then she just made Palmy bi with male leaning preference and Ivar the other way. From what i've seen male mc has a quite big boost for Palmier and quite the oposite for Ivar. It makes sense, good compromise, but still icky, cutting parts of your own characters just to make them RO's for everyone. Ivar still has my sympathy for what he went trough, but romancing him feels kind of wrong. I will probably try his route still, just to see what the healing process was gonna be like for him(if i feel his romance being forced - im out though).would be difficult to make it work with a male MC because of Ivar's hatred of men. But she ended up making a sequel where we romance him with a new MC instead
First game Palmier had some questionable choices too, and when Irvin was disgusted by him i was like wow.
This Palmier is more complex. His morals are questionable and so is the world he's living in. Even while being piece of ****, he still cared about about his friend's. He did changed from the first book, living with four ******* god's inside of you can't be good too. Once again, i'm weak to him and i won't lie - i am biased, sue me
Yikes.
I love that there's a way to avoid siting with him and as a bonus you have an opportunity to bully Winny.I also hated that scene. Like, it would only work if mc isn't threatened by him or is suspicious of him, but in every route, it just feels so bizarre—especially since he still tries to put on his charming persona. I never got it, is he even an Li? Conri always seems so disgustingly obsessed with Palmier, hating mc since Palmier likes them and not to mention all the assault
The only satisfaction is that he completely loses his mind and blows up with anger when you are on Palmier's route. I honestly loved seeing him fumming and being unable to do anything about it, lol.
Anyways, If theres no restraining order in that universe - i will become one. Idk if there's gonna be sob story behind Conri's upbringing - nothing will make me like him.
Yeah, I agree on that. I think the satisfying was more on the moment before the demo ends, were he was about to bite Palmier but you can make mc be the one to calm him. Corin get so angry at that moment lol. Since you brought up that moment, that scene always disgusted me because ngl, I think choosing to help Palmier end up locking from spending time with the other wich i always found so dumb especially because Osgar have good dialogue and even Corin that I think one option makes him hurt and threaten even more the mc
that's the only explanation. I don't think it would work if they tried to talk about the cousin since they tried doing that before, but telling him about Conri would have worked. Mc just got distracted
I miss Arshem so much
Mc is so dumb
that's the only explanation. I don't think it would work if they tried to talk about the cousin since they tried doing that before, but telling him about Conri would have worked. Mc just got distracted Me too, I got so disappointed. If he is going to be an antagonistic/rival type of RO, at least make it a good dynamic. But I don't know if there's any way to fix him and make him likeable, he's such a creep
FaesNone of the LIs seem particularly loyal or like they have eyes for the MC alone, apart from Osgar (whom I hope was lying when he said he doesn't love the MC or want to marry them) and Arshem. Fae bfs
I miss Arshem so muchOh, I don't remember that scene lol, but it's probably good. Winny is Winston right? I thought he only appear way later from that "date"
And I really want a restraining order ASAP too—and also a bath, just from existing close to him
And I really want a restraining order ASAP too—and also a bath, just from existing close to him
Yup. You just need to chuck the nightmare potion at him, when you meet him in Alexei's office(?). Love potion wont work like that though. I hope i remember correctly and it's not the other way around.
There are a **** ton of little details and ways to go about in general - all with big or small changes and outcomes. I love it, but the downside is that we will be waiting for a long time for the full release
I feel you
When the sequel was first announced and we saw the art of the RO's, Conri was the main one I wanted to romance, so now seeing how he is with Palmier and their past history just makes me question how his romance could be considering he still seems utterly obsessed with Palmier and just has pretty gross vibes in general. Ivar was the only other one I was interested in but I play male MC so I also don't expect that to be great either. 
I generally don't like romancing characters where they have some sort of romantic past with another RO (especially if they're also poly options) because going back to When the Night Comes/Errant Kingdom discussion - I also tried the poly options in those and it left me feeling **** for my poor character as they just feel so much more blatantly into each other whilst your character is just there, but if you try a solo romance with any of them it feels like you're keeping the destined perfect couple apart.
I generally don't like romancing characters where they have some sort of romantic past with another RO (especially if they're also poly options) because going back to When the Night Comes/Errant Kingdom discussion - I also tried the poly options in those and it left me feeling **** for my poor character as they just feel so much more blatantly into each other whilst your character is just there, but if you try a solo romance with any of them it feels like you're keeping the destined perfect couple apart.
This is…beyond wordsSpeaking of Night Market (which I absolutely despise) it seems the author has found a new way to get more money while doing zero progress on writing the actual IF.
I just can't with these scummy "authors".
I don’t know if I could even call it a cash grab because that’s $5 an hour. Another IF also made a TTRPG set-up, but it’s a custom game and $3 by joining their Patreon. Which is standard rates for Patreon all things considered.
But $20…? For a roleplay session? What happened to writing?
I guess…to each their own?