Stories that left you disappointed for a reason

[Zoklitsos]

Ok, so the whole 'stoic and emotionally unavailable\not in touch with their emotions' thing is a huge turn off for me for romanceable characters (sidenote: compare him with O from infamous. O is stoic but they are not stunted; they are single mature&professional person in a circus). That, combined with overabundance of Blade compared to any other character + Lena's constant reminders that 'um, acshually, when SoH was a book Blade was a cannon RO for MC, hehe' and him always getting more content waaay ahead of the others gradually turned me from being neutral about him to disliking him lol, He also has the most tropey and cliched personality, imo, because most of the other chars have bits and pieces that graduate them from being tropey.

Oh, literally same. I completely get you. When I first found the game way back in the day, Blade was my first pick for a RO, and he seemed like the most compatible one for the kind of MC I was playing. Then I started following the author on social media, joined the discord, started supporting her on Patreon... and realised just how much favouritism there was for Blade lol. It all eventually just culminated into me being totally turned off by this RO entirely. I didn't think much of it at first, because I feel like it's inevitable that as an author you'd have some characters you like more than others, I mean I am a writer too and I definitely have some favourites lol. But it was becoming way too blatant and on the nose with Lena and Blade, like it felt the whole fandom was one huge circlejerk about how amazing Blade is, and then it started bleeding into the actual game as well

Also, while I quite enjoy other aspects of the game, I really don't like the romance system in the game in general and it's still very possible that I'm just not going to romance anyone for my canon playthrough. You're basically forced to play a pretty specific kind of MC for every romance, and the romance points requirements are kinda strict, so you'd better pick any romance option that pops up for whatever character you're trying to romance, even if you don't like it, or else tough luck! - you might end up getting locked out of the romance. I especially hate how your MC behaves when you pick the romance options for Blade.... It felt like I either had to pick between 'sexual harassment simulator' or 'uwu blushing flustered otome protagonist' in terms for romance dialogue for him lmao. It felt so uncharacteristic for the kind of MC I was trying to play (more on the serious and reserved side) that it completely ruined my desire to romance him. There was some more normal options as well, but they were few and far between. At this point I enjoy the platonic friendship the MC can have with Blade way more tbh and find it much more compelling, especially with what happens later on in the story.

But overall it's been a while since I played bc at this point I've replayed the game so much that I'm just waiting for the it to be finished, last time I played was around that chapter where you investigate some tree or sth in the elf quarter in the city I think?? So idk if there's been any improvement at all... but judging by what people are saying in this thread, it seems like the favouritism is going strong lol. I myself am now a Red and Ayla enjoyer, but I'm pretty sure the author doesn't remember they exist anymore

EDIT: Oh, also honourable mention to Chase who is clearly the author's second favourite, as some people already said. I already find the kind of character trope he embodies very repetitive and annoying, so he was insufferable to me as it is. But the author's clear bias towards him makes me hate him even more

 

[blossom1]

Also, while I quite enjoy other aspects of the game, I really don't like the romance system in the game in general and it's still very possible that I'm just not going to romance anyone for my canon playthrough. You're basically forced to play a pretty specific kind of MC for every romance, and the romance points requirements are kinda strict, so you'd better pick any romance option that pops up for whatever character you're trying to romance, even if you don't like it, or else tough luck! - you might end up getting locked out of the romance. I especially hate how your MC behaves when you pick the romance options for Blade.... It felt like I either had to pick between 'sexual harassment simulator' or 'uwu blushing flustered otome protagonist' in terms for romance dialogue for him

okay i just have to pop in to say - u know youre not supposed to pick the 'sexual harassment simulator' flirt options right? u literally get - flags and points for some of them... You get romance points from..just about anything, hell asking the RO if they are okay.etc. i kind of love this about the game. you dont like...spam hit flirt options to a relationship. You get points for like..saying you want to avenge your teammates lol so imo its too easy to romance everyone even

 

[Zoklitsos]

okay i just have to pop in to say - u know youre not supposed to pick the 'sexual harassment simulator' flirt options right? u literally get - flags and points for some of them... You get romance points from..just about anything, hell asking the RO if they are okay.etc. i kind of love this about the game. you dont like...spam hit flirt options to a relationship. You get points for like..saying you want to avenge your teammates lol so imo its too easy to romance everyone even

No, I didn't know that - I've never picked those options as they're way too cringe for me, and I haven't really read through the game's code super extensively other than to see what the skill checks are + I'm not involved in the fandom anymore. And this doesn't make it much better for me because the other flavour of 'flirt' options for Blade in particular tended to be kinda cringe a lot of the time too. Also, tbh I'm kinda baffled by your statement as this has not been my experience at all, in fact it has been the total opposite where the romance options felt kinda sparse at times so I felt compelled to pick them anytime they popped up even if I didn't like them so I could actually have enough romance points for whoever I am romancing. But as I said, it's been a while since I did a full playthrough, probably at least 2 years if not more. I am assuming that either new stuff has been added in the main story in terms of romance content, that romance flags and stats have been adjusted in the code, or that more interludes with various ROs have been added where there were more normal romance options, because from what I remember it was the main plot romance dialogues that felt off to me whereas in the hangout interludes they were more lowkey and normal most of the time.

 

[blossom1]

No, I didn't know that - I've never picked those options as they're way too cringe for me, and I haven't really read through the game's code super extensively other than to see what the skill checks are + I'm not involved in the fandom anymore. And this doesn't make it much better for me because the other flavour of 'flirt' options for Blade in particular tended to be kinda cringe a lot of the time too. Also, tbh I'm kinda baffled by your statement as this has not been my experience at all, in fact it has been the total opposite where the romance options felt kinda sparse at times so I felt compelled to pick them anytime they popped up even if I didn't like them so I could actually have enough romance points for whoever I am romancing. But as I said, it's been a while since I did a full playthrough, probably at least 2 years if not more. I am assuming that either new stuff has been added in the main story in terms of romance content, that romance flags and stats have been adjusted in the code, or that more interludes with various ROs have been added where there were more normal romance options, because from what I remember it was the main plot romance dialogues that felt off to me whereas in the hangout interludes they were more lowkey and normal most of the time.

so yeah thats how it works... any dialogue or action can get you romance points which is how i end up stealth romancing most of the characters... you ll get a (flirt) option that actually works once in a while but they are rare... u definitely get points from physical actions like holding his hand etc those are usually never the 'wrong' flirt but most others are for roleplaying i guess bc how can u expect to romance the serious stoic guy by saying youre so sexy blade mid meeting lmao..its just a comic relief moment

for example with shery... during her interlude u get more points by like.....supporting her instead of telling her she s pretty. things like that. anyway feel free to hmu (anyone else too) bc i was pretty into the code for a while lol

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

It felt like I either had to pick between 'sexual harassment simulator'

Speaking of this ****ery. I really hate A Date with Death (especially the second and frankly wayy too many VNs) for this. Sexual harassment isn't cute and quirky, it's creepy. Yet, too many people think saying "So are you taking me to your room later lol" and 'I'm the love of your life" to a character you just met is funny dialouge. Playing through a Date with Death 2 is a slog because of this.

 

[Ireth313]

I myself am now a Red and Ayla enjoyer, but I'm pretty sure the author doesn't remember they exist anymore

Red recently got a confession scene, actually (after Blade, Trouble, and, iirc Tallis and whatever there was with Chase?), so he's not the most forgotten one, but Ayla, on the other hand... Yanno, it really is transparent when the author only wants to romance male ROs

Playing through a Date with Death 2 is a slog because of this.

I want to woo the bossman there, but every flirty line towards him makes me feel like he'll call HR on MC soon (and will be completely within his rights tbh). The first game just make me feel like it wasn't teasing 80% of the time but straight up being annoying af, and if dude had any romance experience whatsoever, he would've run for the woods.

 

[Zoklitsos]

Speaking of this ****ery. I really hate A Date with Death (especially the second and frankly wayy too many VNs) for this. Sexual harassment isn't cute and quirky, it's creepy. Yet, too many people think saying "So are you taking me to your room later lol" and 'I'm the love of your life" to a character you just met is funny dialouge. Playing through a Date with Death 2 is a slog because of this.

Red recently got a confession scene, actually (after Blade, Trouble, and, iirc Tallis and whatever there was with Chase?), so he's not the most forgotten one, but Ayla, on the other hand... Yanno, it really is transparent when the author only wants to romance male ROs


I want to woo the bossman there, but every flirty line towards him makes me feel like he'll call HR on MC soon (and will be completely within his rights tbh). The first game just make me feel like it wasn't teasing 80% of the time but straight up being annoyed, and if dude had any romance experience whatsoever, he would've run for the woods.

100% agree with both of you. It's why I tend to dislike what are generally called 'bold' romance options in IF and VNs.... they are rarely done well and most of the time it makes the MC sounds like some creepy lecher lmfao. I haven't played A Date With Death 2, but ngl, the first A Date With Death has to be one of the cringiest VNs I have played in my life.... and I have played a lot of cringe VNs and otomes lol. The only reason I finished it is because a close friend really liked the game and recommended it to me, so I basically finished it so we can talk about it together lol. I get that it's meant to be more of an unserious and humorous game and at first I was on board, but then it became..... well, the quintessential 'sexual harassment simulator' I wanted to smack the MC most of the time and to tell the poor guy to run for the hills. Also, the game felt way too memey. The whole writing style of that game was just very obnoxious in general. It did have a very pretty artstyle though.

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

TBH the first ADWD is shaping up to be better than the second simply because it doesn't start off with being a sexual harassment simulator, and you actually have the option to be more serious. A lot of the sexual options happen pretty late game. The second pretty much locks you into a personality I can only describe as 'my entire personality was shaped by 2010's Tumblr and I never outgrew it' and the situations they try to force it in is as uncomfortable as it is kinda dumb.

Even in comedy, there's supposed to be an element of grounding and realism. The first one worked because the situation actually worked well as a comedy. You (the PC) did not actually believe Grim was telling the truth and thought he was a weird scammer. Fair game on being extremely silly and annoying. The DLC kept the same tone, silly but still grounded. By this time you are dating so the *** jokes and comments don't come off like a creep in a bar. The second one starts off with a much more serious tone but tries to be sillier than the first. You wake up with no memories in a setting you don't realise vs you discover a random application installed on your computer and the person who hacked your computer claims to be the Grim Reaper. It's a tonal mismatch and starting so badly spells bad news for the rest of the game.

A good comparison is Killer Chat. Cringe VN? Absolutely. But a bunch of queer Gen Z/Millennials in a Discord like setting makes sense for the humour provided in the game. It doesn't try to be more serious than it actually is. You get the occasional moments where you feel like you're about to be found out to break up the moments where everything feels too 'normal' but it still doesn't deviate from the tone of the rest of the game.

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

Rant aside, consent is sexy.

A Date with death 1: PC says something sexual or unhinged. Capser either says something sexual right back, calls you weird and ignores it (PC then drops that particular topic in favor of something else) or blushes while giving a positive response right back. He doesn't say no or tells you to stop.

A Date with death 2: PC says something sexual or unhinged. 5012 is uncomfortable and tells them to stop it and shut up multiple times. They continue despite the verbal rejection.

The line between sexual harassment and a silly joke is pretty simple. Especially in a visual medium like VNs where you can convey things like body language to the player depending on the sprite used.

 

[Kein]

a sexual harassment simulator

To be fair - sexual harassment and innuendos are optional. You can literally not pick them. It's pretty clear when option is sexual and none of them impact romance progression. The way it included and presented is another problem. I would say, for them being in paid patreon expansion makes sense. From what i've seen fanbase there very horny and dev's are pretty encouraging of it.
The Angel and Pervert situation though, some rapey *ss bl fanservis. Not a fan of it and any other "the guy was r*ped/harassed/coerced/tortured into loving the other" scenarios if its not outright horror.

Overall, i like the plot of the second one more, feels more meaningful. In the first one, every ending before "Beyond the Bet" felt abrupt. Mandatory - the "Day's'" concept in VN's should die.

Killer chat was cringe af. Especially Ronan guy. Don't even care about rework, doubt i will like it any better. Bloodlust game from the same dev also a f*cking joke. 14$ for nothingburger with unreadable type and color of font.

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

To be fair - sexual harassment and innuendos are optional. You can literally not pick them

If you're talking about ADWD 1, I had already pointed out that you have the option to be more serious. In ADWD 2, however, not so much. Your literal introduction to 5012 is endlessly harassing him as he tells you to stop. That's how it starts. There's no option that isn't harassing 5012.

Overall, i like the plot of the second one more, feels more meaningful.

Same but the tonal mismatch of 2010's core Tumblr PC with a serious setting does not bode well as I said here

The second one starts off with a much more serious tone but tries to be sillier than the first. You wake up with no memories in a setting you don't realise vs you discover a random application installed on your computer and the person who hacked your computer claims to be the Grim Reaper. It's a tonal mismatch and starting so badly spells bad news for the rest of the game.

Your introduction is pretty important to the rest of the game because it's what hooks your players. ADWD 2's introduction sucks. The promise of a darker plot can't carry a weak start as much as any writer wishes it could. Doesn't help that the whole game only makes sense if you buy a DLC.

Mandatory - the "Day's'" concept in VN's should die.

Agreed. It's pateron bait and each 'day' lasts like 2 minutes of gameplay. Great for jams (OG Killer Chat was made in 1 month) but indie developers should aim for something more. Your PFP makes this statement funny though. How long has it been since Favor last had an update?

Especially Ronan guy.

Ronin has the same problem as Blade but if the author had another OC that they paired them with and consider that OC to be their soulmate. It's the same favouritism and in your face pushing, but now it's all about the character's first relationship and how deeply in love with them, and how much they miss them.

Which would be OK if he wasn't a LI in a dating sim. Constantly being cuck chaired by a dead person is annoying (glares in Christmas side story) and the edge lord persona doesn't do him favours. He's popular simply because Killer Chat's fan base is edgelord teens/ young adults.

Though it was funny watching Roserot desperately try to use Killer Chat's success to make Gluttony Gods (her actual passion project and love) popular before giving up and treating Killer Chat like the cash cow it is.

Bloodlust game from the same dev also a f*cking joke. 14$ for nothingburger with unreadable type and color of font.

I felt great joy watching it flop. It was obviously rushed out in favour of Extended and it's DLCs, which were announced around the same time of its release and the $14 was Roserot thinking that she had a fan base that she could try to milk (She does not, nobody cares about any of her other games outside of Killer Chat which is also a fan base of teenagers who can't afford it and adults who aren't going to spend $14 on an uncompleted game).

 

[seneya]

I couldn't get why ADWD was/is so popular tbh.
It took me several tries to get through the first game - I kept telling myself there has to be something in there for people to like it, so I just have to stick around a little longer... It was some of the most juvenile writing I've seen in a game ever. Then, the second game. Why can't MC act normal??? Why do they treat an (in-universe) real person the way thirsty anons do fictional characters on Tumblr???
I thought the plot would be something dark and meaningful, but whatever is there gets completely obliterated by the writing.

 

[Kein]

Your literal introduction to 5012 is endlessly harassing him as he tells you to stop. That's how it starts. There's no option that isn't harassing 5012.

Your introduction is pretty important to the rest of the game because it's what hooks your players. ADWD 2's introduction sucks. The promise of a darker plot can't carry a weak start as much as any writer wishes it could. Doesn't help that the whole game only makes sense if you buy a DLC.

Asking questions is not harassment? I think its quite fitting when you wake up in the new place without memories, ofc you gonna ask questions. Yeah it's pretty annoying for 5012 and he's from the start averse and combative to any sort of connection, but what anyone can do in this situation? MC wakes up without memories except some basics and superficial one. Role of the curious gremlin fits perfectly. It can be mild or more pushy. And there's definitely options that are not sexual.
Introduction in this particular game will matter as in the context of mc growth as a character. Bad or not there's chance to redeem yourself to 5012 as a not complete idiot.
Haven't seen anything about promise of a darker plot and seriousness, and to be honest it is the last thing i would expect from this VN. Maximum i would expect is - a bit more lore, Mc's ability explanation, Atlas character growth, revelations about 5012, bit of drama. In any case, to each their own.

Think you overestimating state of DLC right now, if you not confusing it with whole closed beta itself. All dlc content for remnants rn consists of a few bonus dialogues(with a star thing) in each day(horny ones mostly), just few of them have any impact on the story. Those are options in the locked in routes for guys. And it's like "expansion pack end"(thank you, my curious codediving *ss). No super secret vital lore bits and such. (Oh, If you talkin about beyond the bet dlc for the first game, i think it is priced reasonably and most of the fanbase have no problems with accessing it. be that piracy, purchasing or even playthroughs. and there's free comic with lore bits)

Ronin has the same problem as Blade but if the author had another OC that they paired them with and consider that OC to be their soulmate. It's the same favouritism and in your face pushing, but now it's all about the character's first relationship and how deeply in love with them, and how much they miss them.

Which would be OK if he wasn't a LI in a dating sim. Constantly being cuck chaired by a dead person is annoying (glares in Christmas side story) and the edge lord persona doesn't do him favours. He's popular simply because Killer Chat's fan base is edgelord teens/ young adults.

Though it was funny watching Roserot desperately try to use Killer Chat's success to make Gluttony Gods (her actual passion project and love) popular before giving up and treating Killer Chat like the cash cow it is.
I felt great joy watching it flop. It was obviously rushed out in favour of Extended and it's DLCs, which were announced around the same time of its release and the $14 was Roserot thinking that she had a fan base that she could try to milk (She does not, nobody cares about any of her other games outside of Killer Chat which is also a fan base of teenagers who can't afford it and adults who aren't going to spend $14 on an uncompleted game).

With all that i agree wholeheartedly. Haven't even tried dlc's, but i can imagine.

In regards of ShoH, last time i played it was before moving to twine and i wasnt interested in Blade cause he's straight. I guess people with other favorites are starving lmao. Don't even remember who was my favorite. Does the story overall progressed past the CS demo, should i pick it up again?
Sh*tty thing author of interactive fiction can do is to say that there's something canon. Be that a romance option, choices, mc, ending and etc. I will still read it, but i will criticize it harder

 

[LtheStoryteller]

Oh, literally same. I completely get you. When I first found the game way back in the day, Blade was my first pick for a RO, and he seemed like the most compatible one for the kind of MC I was playing. Then I started following the author on social media, joined the discord, started supporting her on Patreon... and realised just how much favouritism there was for Blade lol. It all eventually just culminated into me being totally turned off by this RO entirely. I didn't think much of it at first, because I feel like it's inevitable that as an author you'd have some characters you like more than others, I mean I am a writer too and I definitely have some favourites lol. But it was becoming way too blatant and on the nose with Lena and Blade, like it felt the whole fandom was one huge circlejerk about how amazing Blade is, and then it started bleeding into the actual game as well

Also, while I quite enjoy other aspects of the game, I really don't like the romance system in the game in general and it's still very possible that I'm just not going to romance anyone for my canon playthrough. You're basically forced to play a pretty specific kind of MC for every romance, and the romance points requirements are kinda strict, so you'd better pick any romance option that pops up for whatever character you're trying to romance, even if you don't like it, or else tough luck! - you might end up getting locked out of the romance. I especially hate how your MC behaves when you pick the romance options for Blade.... It felt like I either had to pick between 'sexual harassment simulator' or 'uwu blushing flustered otome protagonist' in terms for romance dialogue for him lmao. It felt so uncharacteristic for the kind of MC I was trying to play (more on the serious and reserved side) that it completely ruined my desire to romance him. There was some more normal options as well, but they were few and far between. At this point I enjoy the platonic friendship the MC can have with Blade way more tbh and find it much more compelling, especially with what happens later on in the story.

But overall it's been a while since I played bc at this point I've replayed the game so much that I'm just waiting for the it to be finished, last time I played was around that chapter where you investigate some tree or sth in the elf quarter in the city I think?? So idk if there's been any improvement at all... but judging by what people are saying in this thread, it seems like the favouritism is going strong lol. I myself am now a Red and Ayla enjoyer, but I'm pretty sure the author doesn't remember they exist anymore

EDIT: Oh, also honourable mention to Chase who is clearly the author's second favourite, as some people already said. I already find the kind of character trope he embodies very repetitive and annoying, so he was insufferable to me as it is. But the author's clear bias towards him makes me hate him even more

Yeah, I also don't know about the romance points.
I mean, I was only romancing girls, since I'm straight, but I literally got the highest friendship scores with all (thank the console cheats for God words for that), and everyone was either in love with me, or semi in love with me. Again, I think the God words helped tremendously with that, since everyone just adores you when you use them.
Best example would be when you're helping out the elementals. You can either side with Tallys or Lavignette (maybe I'm wrong about the second name, I forgot), OR, you can use a God word to help them both at the same time.
Also, yeah, blatant favouritism of male ros is apparent. I mean, I could hang out with my buddy Blade until the very end of the current alpha thing, but for Tallys and other female ros, there's only like a couple hang out options and then it's "not written yet, come back in the next update"
So yeah, since I like the story overall, I'll play it when it gets fully done, but not before anymore

 

[Zoklitsos]

Ronin has the same problem as Blade but if the author had another OC that they paired them with and consider that OC to be their soulmate. It's the same favouritism and in your face pushing, but now it's all about the character's first relationship and how deeply in love with them, and how much they miss them.

Which would be OK if he wasn't a LI in a dating sim. Constantly being cuck chaired by a dead person is annoying (glares in Christmas side story) and the edge lord persona doesn't do him favours. He's popular simply because Killer Chat's fan base is edgelord teens/ young adults.

Though it was funny watching Roserot desperately try to use Killer Chat's success to make Gluttony Gods (her actual passion project and love) popular before giving up and treating Killer Chat like the cash cow it is.

I felt great joy watching it flop. It was obviously rushed out in favour of Extended and it's DLCs, which were announced around the same time of its release and the $14 was Roserot thinking that she had a fan base that she could try to milk (She does not, nobody cares about any of her other games outside of Killer Chat which is also a fan base of teenagers who can't afford it and adults who aren't going to spend $14 on an uncompleted game).

Lmao, I'm very happy to see other people hated Killer Chat because of this. I am really not a fan of this dev either... I know the game has since gotten a bunch of DLCs and an extended version or whatever, I haven't played those. I only played the very first original version, I did 2 playthroughs, one for Ronin and one of the other guy whose name I don't remember. The game was pretty mediocre for me at the time - it had some cringe moments, it had some okay moments, but it was mostly a letdown. The concept and description sounded much cooler than the actual final product. Overall, I remember thinking it was an okay game that I had a decent enough time with, but that I'm also probably not gonna think about it anymore in any meaningful way lmao. But I remember I did go snooping through the dev's itch to see if they had other games, I was curious because making Killer Chat for a game jam in such a short amount of time was pretty impressive, so I wanted to check out if they had other work. Then I saw the whole Gluttony Gods thing and yeah.... I never played it because I didn't give af (and apparently neither did anyone else lmao?), but just reading the itchio description and comments made it pretty clear what it was about... so it retroactively ruined Ronin's route for me and made me feel like I wasted my time. I did kinda prefer the other guy a bit more over Ronin, but I had a decent time with Ronin's route too. However, if I had known about the whole thing with him and the author's other OC, I never would have even bothered with it. I haven't actively kept up with the dev, but I follow a ton of devs on itchio and I'm too lazy to clean up my following list so I still follow them lol, so on occasion updates from the dev pop up on my itch feed. And for the most part, the impression I've gotten is that they're really milking Killer Chat for all its worth lmao.

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

Think you overestimating state of DLC right now, if you not confusing it with whole closed beta itself. All dlc content for remnants rn consists of a few bonus dialogues(with a star thing) in each day(horny ones mostly), just few of them have any impact on the story. Those are options in the locked in routes for guys. And it's like "expansion pack end"(thank you, my curious codediving *ss). No super secret vital lore bits and such. (Oh, If you talkin about beyond the bet dlc for the first game, i think it is priced reasonably and most of the fanbase have no problems with accessing it. be that piracy, purchasing or even playthroughs. and there's free comic with lore bits)

I was talking about Beyond the Bet when I spoke about needing a paid DLC. Remnants is a continuation of Beyond the Bet.

Lmao, I'm very happy to see other people hated Killer Chat because of this. I am really not a fan of this dev either... I know the game has since gotten a bunch of DLCs and an extended version or whatever, I haven't played those. I only played the very first original version, I did 2 playthroughs, one for Ronin and one of the other guy whose name I don't remember. The game was pretty mediocre for me at the time - it had some cringe moments, it had some okay moments, but it was mostly a letdown. The concept and description sounded much cooler than the actual final product. Overall, I remember thinking it was an okay game that I had a decent enough time with, but that I'm also probably not gonna think about it anymore in any meaningful way lmao. But I remember I did go snooping through the dev's itch to see if they had other games, I was curious because making Killer Chat for a game jam in such a short amount of time was pretty impressive, so I wanted to check out if they had other work. Then I saw the whole Gluttony Gods thing and yeah.... I never played it because I didn't give af (and apparently neither did anyone else lmao?), but just reading the itchio description and comments made it pretty clear what it was about... so it retroactively ruined Ronin's route for me and made me feel like I wasted my time. I did kinda prefer the other guy a bit more over Ronin, but I had a decent time with Ronin's route too. However, if I had known about the whole thing with him and the author's other OC, I never would have even bothered with it. I haven't actively kept up with the dev, but I follow a ton of devs on itchio and I'm too lazy to clean up my following list so I still follow them lol, so on occasion updates from the dev pop up on my itch feed. And for the most part, the impression I've gotten is that they're really milking Killer Chat for all its worth lmao.

V/Valentin? Because he's my favourite route (second is Angel). Honestly the only reason I want to play extended is because I found his route too short and could benefit from a little extra time. Well that and hoping that Killing Spree delivers in the irony of V falling in love with an actual serial killer.

Back on Ronin. I don't think Roserot thought that Killer Chat would become this popular. So I excuse the original on the basis of it being fan service for those that were already fans.

Killer Chat Christmas was just straight BS. His whole route was about him moping about Ther's death.

Overkill (overpriced waste of time) doesn't have Ther wank (thank goodness) but it wasn't better in the romance department.

Spoiler: Overkill spoilers

In one of the Epilogues, you talk about feeling like you're being stalked. In every other route, your partner expresses concern except Ronin who immediately dismisses you.

If you told me he wasn't supposed to be my boyfriend in Overkill, I'd believe you.

Roserot doesn't want to write a relationship with Ronin that doesn't involve you being number two (I'd argue an emotional replacement as well) to Ther. Which sucks because he would genuinely be much better without the Ther wank. Though since Ther is an obvious author insert, that would never happen.