Stories that left you disappointed for a reason

[SasariRomanii]

First of all, I'm sorry you have to read things which upset you as much as the thoughtless post did.

Secondly..... to the other poster, I only just now scrolled through posts..... rape or non-con (essentially ****) content is seen as..... a coping mechanism? Am I living in a different world or something? How would the victim feel a sense of control, when reading about another character suffering through the same **** the reader went through?!

Even in ****, smut or whatever else you wanna call it, there should be limits and red lines which shouldn't be crossed (which all of you know full well what they are).

Thank you for being understanding, I hope I wasn't too defensive or aggressive, I just want people to see that there are layered consequences to this coping mechanism for victims and it should be done under the guidance of a professional.

I am talking from personal experience, but it was sort of a compulsion, something that draws you in like watching a car crash. You know it's bad but you can't help but look. For example, I was m*lested by a woman when I was a kid and early on there were questionable things my older sister did to me that were totally not appropriate (she was also a child at that time, I believe she was impressioning on mature aspects of movies we watched, like when two couples kiss — of course it's innocent for adults but sometimes kids just do their own thing et voila and parents can't always monitor their children), and as a result I routinely read hard-core y*ri mangas and even straight up p*rn before I was even 15 — as a straight person. I am not attracted to women, but for some reason I continuously came back to those nsfw wlw stuff. This kept going until the end of my teenage year when bit by bit I started to realize all that did was putting more strain to my soul and reinforce the disgust I have for myself. Thankfully I have good parents, and even if the event leading up to it could be better but I'm just glad to finally be able to tell my parents about what that woman did to me because that sh*t confuses the f*ck out of my brain for the longest time. Even now I sometimes still guilt read Locria's IF like To Crown a King and From Mulberru Fields, mostly when I'm stressed.

So yeah, sorry for trauma dumping on this thread, hope this can also contribute some more knowledge (whatever that is) and info or anything positive (wtf am I saying )

 

[solavellan]

First of all, I'm sorry you have to read things which upset you as much as the thoughtless post did.

Secondly..... to the other poster, I only just now scrolled through posts..... rape or non-con (essentially ****) content is seen as..... a coping mechanism? Am I living in a different world or something? How would the victim feel a sense of control, when reading about another character suffering through the same **** the reader went through?!

Even in ****, smut or whatever else you wanna call it, there should be limits and red lines which shouldn't be crossed (which all of you know full well what they are).

Typically people just drop a book they don't like because it triggered their squick/trauma I assume that's how they feel a sense of control lol? Anyways whether we like it or not taboo fiction will exist after we die and has existed even before we were alive

 

[SasariRomanii]

You should unpack this with a therapist lol not some dude from the internet who thinks it's up to people to decide what they want and don't want to consume without imposing it to everyone else

Didn't catch the part where I stated specifically that I can't afford one? Tried the sh*tty free one and they immediately pass me over to a psychiatrist which costs like half a million in my country's currency. I mean if you wanna offer a donation for my treatment since you so kindly directed me to do I would appreciate it. Don't gonna give nothing in return but prayers and thanks tho.

And pls don't worry, I'm okay now. I've helped myself and I was only trying to help you understand which seems to be in vain.

 

[solavellan]

Didn't catch the part where I stated specifically that I can't afford one? Tried the sh*tty free one and they immediately pass me over to a psichiatrist which costs like half a million in my country's currency. I mean if you wanna offer a donation for my treatment since you so kindly directed me to do I would appreciate it. Don't gonna give nothing in return but prayers and thanks tho.

And pls don't worry, I'm okay now. I've helped myself and I was only trying to help you understand which seems to be in vain.

Yeah i didn't i skimmed your wall of text

 

[SasariRomanii]

Yeah i didn't i skimmed your wall of text

.... atp you're just rage-baiting, dude

 

[solavellan]

.... atp you're just rage-baiting, dude

My bro we're in a pirate site, u clearly have hang-ups with taboo fiction, I clearly am very anti-censorship, we both can't afford therapy lol at some point u have to learn how to choose your battles lol like goodluck on whatever's going on with you but getting overly invested strangers' choices of fictional content isn't really worth the effort and emotion in this economy lmfao

 

[Sokrates]

My bro we're in a pirate site, u clearly have hang-ups with taboo fiction, I clearly am very anti-censorship, we both can't afford therapy lol at some point u have to learn how to choose your battles lol like goodluck on whatever's going on with you but getting overly invested strangers' choices of fictional content isn't really worth the effort and emotion in this economy lmfao

Just curious in your opinion. Is CP also not supposed to be censored (utter filth btw. It should NOT even exist)?
Dude, there are red lines which shouldn't be crossed. If it takes censorship to keep that filth away from most eyes, then it should be enforced in full.

 

[solavellan]

Just curious in your opinion. Is CP also not supposed to be censored (utter filth btw. It should NOT even exist)?
Dude, there are red lines which shouldn't be crossed. If it takes censorship to keep that filth away from most eyes, then it should be enforced in full.

The correct term is CSEM and bro this convo is about taboo fiction um emphasis on fiction? Like it's about people who are not real? Intangible objects? Lmfao why are u bringing up a topic that involves real children in a convo about censorship in fictional media?

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

First of all, I'm sorry you have to read things which upset you as much as the thoughtless post did.

Secondly..... to the other poster, I only just now scrolled through posts..... rape or non-con (essentially ****) content is seen as..... a coping mechanism? Am I living in a different world or something? How would the victim feel a sense of control, when reading about another character suffering through the same **** the reader went through?!

Even in ****, smut or whatever else you wanna call it, there should be limits and red lines which shouldn't be crossed (which all of you know full well what they are).

Have you considered that everyone is different and process things differently? That's not even going into the whole 'fictional characters are not real' part.

This will be a long but you read IFs and have better reading comprehension than half of the population so really this should be a piece of cake.

You see, that's the result of having a good therapist to guide you through the whole process of regaining control of your emotions and what you experienced.

I've been through that sh*t and "coped" by consuming some weird contents (they're not all disturbing or dark, some are just strange and surreal but it clicks in my brain) and it doesn't do anything but make it worse and more depressing because I was alone and there was no one to guide me through what I felt.

Different people need different coping mechanisms and therapy, even a professional wouldn't recommend this treatment if they deem it unbeneficial for their patient.

You get what I mean or am I just a crazy 2000s mom getting scared of video games and taboo contents? Are we really pretending that the media we're feeding on don't have impactful effects on our psychology? And are we just going to wilfully assume that people are reading non-cons and such in a healthy way to heal and take control of their trauma? How many people have the privilege to get a good therapist who is actually helping them? Is it ethical really for someone who hasn't experience anything close to SA to be writing a fetishistic story about r*pe?

Yeah, I can close it if it makes me uncomfortable, I had after a long struggle. You can close it. He can close it. She can close it. They can close it. But what about the people that can't? What about the people who are too far gone? You do realize those non-cons are basically written p*rn right? And people can get addicted to it. The line between coping and addiction is thin and need to be treaded carefully.

I admit I should've been more clearer in my posting above but I was riding on emotions (still am ngl) so I decided to cool down and cut it short before it turns into a rambling. Though seeing how it was misinterpreted now, maybe I really should've rambled on about how what I meant was; predators also like to create and enjoy these non-cons and overall dark disturbing stories or arts as a mockery towards their victims, a self-fulfillment fantasy, as a way to find the perfect victim, and such. Just look at how Epstein proudly displayed the first published book of Lolita by Nabokov, a story written by an author who was abused as a study and reflection of the kind of pure evil that would hurt a child.

See where I'm going? It feels like I'm talking to a wall. Like I never even said that non-con stories shouldn't exist, or that everyone shouldn't consume it. I was complaining about how the "victims use it as coping" is a very abused and misunderstood excuse they throw when sh*t like these are criticized and you are doing that right now.

Coping isn't always a good thing, without the right directions they can become an addiction and worsen an already bad situation. Self harm isn't also just physical, it can be mental. Like telling yourself over and over that you're not worthy, you're better off dead, or by reliving the pain you experience before.

I may not be a therapist, though I know what it feels like to be the patient that needs it (can't afford one, forced to fix my problems myself lol). And I'm sure you already know about all of this and really there's no point of me telling it to you again but I just want to make sure that you understand that I know it too. I don't throw words around willy-nilly even when I'm emotional. But I do get tired fast so that's it. I hope I've made myself clear, I'll be grateful if you get the points but if you don't then you don't and if that's the case then keep your peace and I'll keep mine.

In other words, this is a YOU issue. Just because YOU are uncomfortable or something doesn't work for YOU doesn't mean that something is bad. It just means that it doesn't work for YOU. As I said above, everyone is different and everyone processes and deals with things differently. If we ban everything on the account that it'll make someone uncomfortable, then we'll have nothing left. This is a clear case of personal responsibly and understanding the difference between your boundaries and everyone else's. Also, context. You made those comments with the context of Bluesky banning non-con elements on their app. Anyone reading that would assume that you believe that dark fiction should be banned and argue against it. Let's not be obtuse here. I'm not going to pretend that it's healthy for everyone and everybody or that people don't use it as a form of self harm, but the same could be said about only consuming sunshine and rainbows and hiding and running away from your trauma.

As for your point about the predators that make and consume dark fiction. As a CSA victim who is into lolisho (yeah, I know) it's super easy to realize and understand when it's targeted towards survivors vs when it's targeted towards CSA survivors or even just as a kink. Predators tend to fixate on three things: purity, youth and naivety. As an example, the stories, art etc. all centre around how the loli/shota is better than an adult, with the adults often being portrayed as caricatures or non-existent except for the self insert, how easy they are to control and their unconditional 'love'. CSA survivors like myself tend to use lolisho as a self insert and there's rarely a presence of any adult, just the character and their innocence. Of course, people are not that simple and there's CSA survivors who make and consume the same content the pedos do, but the majority of other survivors (at least that I've met) aren't even into the p*rn and find it gross. But the rule of thumb is who does the narrative favour, the victim or the perpetrator? If it overly favours the perpetrator, then it was written by a predator 99.99% of the time. Of course, this requires reading comprehension because I've seen people who believe that the book Lolita is pro-paedo because the perpetrator is the protagonist and point of view character. Like he wasn't a total narcistic creep the entire book.

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

The correct term is CSEM and bro this convo is about taboo fiction um emphasis on fiction? Like it's about people who are not real? Intangible objects? Lmfao why are u bringing up a topic that involves real children in a convo about censorship in fictional media?

Because a lot of people understand that fiction doesn't affect reality in terms of violence, but not in terms of every other taboo topic. There's also the whole thing about societies reaction to CSEM being about (usually violent) retribution towards the perpetuator and not justice or help for victims.

 

[solavellan]

Because a lot of people understand that fiction doesn't affect reality in terms of violence, but not in terms of every other taboo topic. There's also the whole thing about societies reaction to CSEM being about (usually violent) retribution towards the perpetuator and not justice or help for victims.

Lmfao so socrates with a k just has skill issues

 

[Lyul]

Why in the **** there are people out here defending rape/CP content under the guise of "it helps people heal!!!!!" **** off it  may help  some people to heal, but don't be naive enough to think only those people are the ones wanting this content, having those kinds of media so easily acessible is not a good thing. And, of course, let's not forget the countless studies about what we consume on Internet influence our behaviour in real life

 

[Anarore]

Non-con problem is not with victims, people only use them as a defense point. And, well, there are other coping mechanisms, so the victims will find their way. No, the problem is with *glorification* of such relationships. It both makes the perpetrators feel in the right and grooms potential victims into accepting what happened to them as "just a bit of miscommunication, it's not a crime, ffs", and the public to see it as "spicy ***, stop complaining, men have their needs". Yes, it's not the only factor, but it's a contributor among others, and I'm not going to cry about rape fetishists loosing a platform.

To not be off topic too much and also slightly related: the new demo of that Hunter game has a quest there you have to convince a ********** to pay her pimps money when she is trying to save and leave the prostitution quickly because she had a baby and is worried for it (because of the bad neighborhood, as the game says). I think we all universally agree that it is standart that the option hidden behind successful skill check is usually the best one. So what can the MC do with a skill check? Convince the **********d woman to pay and to save slowly. Like she doesn't risk to be killed by the next john. Like her baby isn't in danger because of what happens inside that apartment, not the outside. So if the MC canonically thinks that making a woman stay within prostitution is a good thing to do, they can be eaten by a pack of stray dogs or a nosferatu, I ain't helping them. And shame on the author too.

 

[Anarore]

And also I've been a witness to survivors using fiction to deal with their trauma. It was usually about expressing their pain and horror and the wish fulfillment part was about people around them feeling for them and defending them or at least grieving with them and trying to help, not, you know, orgasms.

 

[dontfollowme]

Lmao how did we come to this?

This will be a long but you read IFs and have better reading comprehension than half of the population so really this should be a piece of cake.

You see, that's the result of having a good therapist to guide you through the whole process of regaining control of your emotions and what you experienced.

I've been through that sh*t and "coped" by consuming some weird contents (they're not all disturbing or dark, some are just strange and surreal but it clicks in my brain) and it doesn't do anything but make it worse and more depressing because I was alone and there was no one to guide me through what I felt.

Different people need different coping mechanisms and therapy, even a professional wouldn't recommend this treatment if they deem it unbeneficial for their patient.

You get what I mean or am I just a crazy 2000s mom getting scared of video games and taboo contents? Are we really pretending that the media we're feeding on don't have impactful effects on our psychology? And are we just going to wilfully assume that people are reading non-cons and such in a healthy way to heal and take control of their trauma? How many people have the privilege to get a good therapist who is actually helping them? Is it ethical really for someone who hasn't experience anything close to SA to be writing a fetishistic story about r*pe?

Yeah, I can close it if it makes me uncomfortable, I had after a long struggle. You can close it. He can close it. She can close it. They can close it. But what about the people that can't? What about the people who are too far gone? You do realize those non-cons are basically written p*rn right? And people can get addicted to it. The line between coping and addiction is thin and need to be treaded carefully.

I admit I should've been more clearer in my posting above but I was riding on emotions (still am ngl) so I decided to cool down and cut it short before it turns into a rambling. Though seeing how it was misinterpreted now, maybe I really should've rambled on about how what I meant was; predators also like to create and enjoy these non-cons and overall dark disturbing stories or arts as a mockery towards their victims, a self-fulfillment fantasy, as a way to find the perfect victim, and such. Just look at how Epstein proudly displayed the first published book of Lolita by Nabokov, a story written by an author who was abused as a study and reflection of the kind of pure evil that would hurt a child.

See where I'm going? It feels like I'm talking to a wall. Like I never even said that non-con stories shouldn't exist, or that everyone shouldn't consume it. I was complaining about how the "victims use it as coping" is a very abused and misunderstood excuse they throw when sh*t like these are criticized and you are doing that right now.

Coping isn't always a good thing, without the right directions they can become an addiction and worsen an already bad situation. Self harm isn't also just physical, it can be mental. Like telling yourself over and over that you're not worthy, you're better off dead, or by reliving the pain you experience before.

I may not be a therapist, though I know what it feels like to be the patient that needs it (can't afford one, forced to fix my problems myself lol). And I'm sure you already know about all of this and really there's no point of me telling it to you again but I just want to make sure that you understand that I know it too. I don't throw words around willy-nilly even when I'm emotional. But I do get tired fast so that's it. I hope I've made myself clear, I'll be grateful if you get the points but if you don't then you don't and if that's the case then keep your peace and I'll keep mine.

Bruh, I get what you’re saying, but your argument treats personal experience like universal truth. Yes, coping can turn into unhealthy behavior, but that doesn’t mean everyone who reads non-con IFs is doing harm or avoiding real healing??
people process trauma differently, and not all engagement with dark fiction is self destructive one.

Ya fiction isn’t therapy, but it is a tool. For some, it’s about control, choosing when, how, and why to face something painful. For others, it’s just fun reading, not a coping mechanism at all. You can’t assume intent or impact just because the topic makes you uncomfortable.

You’re right that media can influence us, but that works both ways for ex: people can also use fiction to understand themselves, not to spiral further. Dismissing all of it as dangerous ignores nuance and strips people of agency.

You’re valid in your view, but so are those who find meaning, control, or simple curiosity in exploring dark fiction. One perspective doesn’t define everyone’s experience.

 

[SasariRomanii]

Lmao how did we come to this?



Bruh, I get what you’re saying, but your argument treats personal experience like universal truth. Yes, coping can turn into unhealthy behavior, but that doesn’t mean everyone who reads non-con IFs is doing harm or avoiding real healing??
people process trauma differently, and not all engagement with dark fiction is self destructive one.

Ya fiction isn’t therapy, but it is a tool. For some, it’s about control, choosing when, how, and why to face something painful. For others, it’s just fun reading, not a coping mechanism at all. You can’t assume intent or impact just because the topic makes you uncomfortable.

You’re right that media can influence us, but that works both ways for ex: people can also use fiction to understand themselves, not to spiral further. Dismissing all of it as dangerous ignores nuance and strips people of agency.

You’re valid in your view, but so are those who find meaning, control, or simple curiosity in exploring dark fiction. One perspective doesn’t define everyone’s experience.

Thank you for being respectful, but I have made myself very clear and if this is what you get from my explanations then that is what you get. Although I will sincerely reject this blatant misunderstanding of the points I made. I already covered all that you have problems with in my statements above, and if you take your time to read and comprehend you'll see that we're on the same page. It's okay to not get what I was saying at first, but please consider it some more before going off assumptions. Clearly there are people who understand what I was getting on, so I don't think the fault's in my delivery. Now, this is the last time I'm going to repeat myself, I'll keep my peace and wash my hands of this sh*t.

 

[seneya]

Ah, so much healing and perspective one gets from a game named R@pe King.
(/s, just in case)

 

[SasariRomanii]

To not be off topic too much and also slightly related: the new demo of that Hunter game has a quest there you have to convince a ********** to pay her pimps money when she is trying to save and leave the prostitution quickly because she had a baby and is worried for it (because of the bad neighborhood, as the game says). I think we all universally agree that it is standart that the option hidden behind successful skill check is usually the best one. So what can the MC do with a skill check? Convince the **********d woman to pay and to save slowly. Like she doesn't risk to be killed by the next john. Like her baby isn't in danger because of what happens inside that apartment, not the outside. So if the MC canonically thinks that making a woman stay within prostitution is a good thing to do, they can be eaten by a pack of stray dogs or a nosferatu, I ain't helping them. And shame on the author too.

Ah, I was waiting for the MC to kill the guy since the MC is a mercenary anyway and give her a better job. That's like the bare minimum of someone with more power than most people can do. I also feel like more and more new IFs don't have impactful choices. It doesn't even have to be much, three or four real choices that actually affect the storyline is enough.

 

[cloudyday]

Is it just me or twine wips seem to have a lot less choices and more text than cg/hg ones?

 

[Lyul]

Rare are the wips where choices actually matter nowadays lol