Like when they needed to be cheated into the show, when the "less talented" Seven made it on their own several positions ahead of MC's band? Yeah no lol
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The MC didn't cheat. That's the point.
The game itself acknowledges that the MC is talented (and being talented doesn't mean you'll always be lucky).
Seven and the MC aren't that far apart in popularity. Amy herself said that Seven and his band were simply lucky to have made some songs that blew up on popularity.
It's literally something that happens every day: There are singers who are more talented than the popular ones, but due to various factors they don't become as well-known.
The music industry (but not only) is constantly a russian roulette.
Obviously, you can think of it as the MC being the worst, ugly and not at all talented, but that contradicts the game itself and the author herself.
I'll give you an example of something about Infamous that bothered me, a small complaint.The MC didn't cheat. That's the point.
The game itself acknowledges that the MC is talented (and being talented doesn't mean you'll always be lucky).
Seven and the MC aren't that far apart in popularity. Amy herself said that Seven and his band were simply lucky to have made some songs that blew up on popularity.
It's literally something that happens every day: There are singers who are more talented than the popular ones, but due to various factors they don't become as well-known.
The music industry (but not only) is constantly a russian roulette.
Obviously, you can think of it as the MC being the worst, ugly and not at all talented, but that contradicts the game itself and the author herself.
G, (Dakota) and by extension Blake. I like the characters, but I feel like Amy and by extension, the fandom itself ignores much of their bad actions.
Blake accusing you of cheating. That's the main factor that caused all this trouble. Because now you have everyone judging your every action, your every word, to see if you actually cheated. Maybe you slept with someone, or something else entirely.
The possible betrayal of G (by extension Victoria too). Regardless of whether G loves Victoria, they is still cheating on Victoria (or Victoria to G). Besides the alcoholism, and the psychological and mental damage that this can cause to a potential partner (or Victoria), and the fact that they practically threw both her and the MC under the bus.
I also put Dakota (I think that's what her name was) for a specific scene, but I'd have to replay the game to make sure it's that one).
They (Avina) haven’t done anything bad to MC yet, at least from what I remember. I was referring to their behavior towards Seven. Their “niceness” seems to be a front rather than actually how they act. Not saying Avina is mean but I think it is a facade so no one leaves them and to avoid arguments, rather than them actually being that nice. Their POVs do not come off as someone genuine and when they think of Seven, it is very creepy to read. Characters can have growth but at this very moment in the story, whenever I hear something positive about Avina from her tumblr, I just can’t believe it. Edit: Actually, I do think Avina has been mean to MC. But they don't know about it. They keep telling Seven that MC does bad things or possibly could have done them. They also assume the worst of MC, due to Seven being vague about everything (maybe as an attempt to get Seven to forget them?).Honestly, I don't think Alvina has done anything potentially harmful/evil to MC yet? Apart from not liking the MC, and trying to distance Seven from a person, who Alvina believes is bad... They did nothing.
Seven, however, is a completely different beast. I agree that they's no saint, but I never felt like Amy was trying to make them look like one. Maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker, and so for me, something gets lost in translation. Who knows.
As I said, I don't think Amy really thinks of Alvina and Seven as a perfect match. Would I like to see them together? Absolutely not. But I don't think that's the point of Alvina and Seven.
Their POVs seem to go like this: Alvina wants to replace the MC, perhaps without realizing it.
Seven though, no matter how "close" he says they are, never seems to really open up to them. In one of the POVs, if I'm not mistaken, Seven himself says that Alvina can't understand them. Something like that.
And I mean, Seven is hypocritical. And what happens when you feel betrayed and you're dependent on someone.
I say this because when I was younger it was the same as Seven.
She was a girl who gave everything for the people close to me, especially those I was dependent on. In that moment, you feel betrayed, as if someone had stabbed you in the heart. Your entire psyche changes. That person who once brought you happiness has now caused you unimaginable pain. It doesn't matter if it was a small, silly matter.
You feel like the air is missing. The ground beneath your feet. It's as if someone has torn a part of you away, leaving you in pieces. And that's where anger kicks in. The desire for revenge kicks in. You want that person to feel even a little bit of the harm they've done to you. What if they do the same thing? Even worse, because you don't think logically.
That's not an excuse. Of course not.
I don't think Amy really changes her mind, but we'll only really know that later.
I can think one thing about her, you another... But in the end, none of us really know what she want for her characters, for the story, and what she really think.
Of course, everyone may or may not like the way she approaches questions. I wish she were clearer, But I don't have any problems with the way it interacts either. As long as the story is written coherently.
It’s kinda funny that the one thing Seven is scared of the most, abandonment, is exactly what they did to MC. Over something that can be solved within a few conversations.
Sorry for the tangent, just thought I'd add why I particularly think so many people find Seven to be faultless. It's weirdly because of Victoria. What cements this idea to a lot of her fans is that she has equated Victoria to Seven and MC to G...which is a bit much, imo. She's done this several times and if we know anything about Victoria and G, Victoria is the more understandable/pitiful one in the relationship. How does that make the fans feel towards Seven and MC? Like MC is G, and that is not a great comparison. This is an issue for me considering the more I find out about Victoria, G, and Blake and equate it to Seven and MC’s relationship, I actually think G and Seven are more similar that people think. Of course, this would mean I find MC, Blake, and Victoria similar to one another as well. The comparisons aren’t perfect but I find them to match more than the author’s original posts.
Also, I really do hope Amy is trolling. It is a lot more preferable than her changing her mind.
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Yes? I missed those posts. I always thought Blake and Seven were parallels in that they both have a deep grudge against someone who seemingly meant the world to them (MC/G).
I can see the parallel between Victoria and Seven, if I close my eyes wide open. Victoria is almost always behind G to solve their problems, while Seven was always behind MC because they was dependent on them. But it still wouldn't be a 1:1 comparison.
I can see G and Seven as more similar in some aspects (G's alcohol addiction vs. Seven's addiction to MC) and in the expectations they have of people (G expecting Victoria to fix they problems and forgive them, vs Seven's expectations of MC and what they should have done).
In the end, I feel like Seven and MC have several character comparisons, and it really depends on how you play.
Yeah, definitely. I guess she needs to be more careful with her statements on the game. I think she might be self-inserting too much (not her, but her character). She's said previously that in IFs, including Infamous, she always plays as jokesters who don't take much serious and would be more concerned about the band and their career rather than relationships. When you have a customizable MC, they can be anything. She can't just speak in absolutes on character dynamics when it comes to the MC.
It is possible.
I think the same thing happened with the author of another game; she herself admitted that she always played with a stoic and serious MC. And I remember that when I played, my complaint was that it felt too serious, regardless of the dialogue options.
But it's something that can be polished before the game is released.
The foreboding (a bit dramatic, ik) feeling around Soft Violence starts in when in POVs it is described how Seven met Soft Violence. Seven did not end up in a better situation. Seven has someone controlling them and their actions under the guise of being helpful (THEY ARE NOT A THERAPIST), conditioning them to forget about someone they knew for 10 years. Seven and SV present the situation as Avina and Soft Violence saving Seven but the more I think about it...the more exploitative and insincere Soft Violence feels? They took a distraught person in, took advantage of them, validated their opinions all because they needed a singer. It was calculated. Even if I were to view Avina’s actions as protective because they think MC is evil, they still have a lot of unhealthy behaviors towards Seven. Someone who isn’t even fully comfortable around them. The game has a hard time convincing me Seven is “normal” when MC isn’t around considering Avina apparently has to monitor Seven to stop them from stalking MC. They don’t even know the true Seven, they know an idea of them. Without even knowing Seven or MC, they already decided MC was at fault. It’s one thing for a friend to think this way, but upon meeting Seven? You don’t even know them yet you just believe it was a one-sided event, with one person (MC) at fault? How Seven and SV met feels...wrong. There’s disconcerting parallel between the Band and SV trying to control their singers and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone talking about this. I’ve only ever seen posts about the Band being controlling. The game purposefully portrays SV as some beacon of hope and I'm going to assume the illusion will break eventually (or at least I hope so). It at times feels like they're all strangers. At least with the Band you know they all are familiar with one another regardless of any turmoil (for an example, I cannot think of any members of the band forcing MC to drink or party when they do not want to whereas with SV...that has happened. Avina forced Seven to drink alcohol even though Seven is strictly against drinking.) Until I know this is all on purpose, I'm disappointed. Thankfully, I know now she doesn't even post much on tumblr and that was where most of my issues were. I'll ignore it and just let the POVs and game dictate how I feel.
People may assume I’m being a bit too dramatic and that’s fair but if I were to read someone’s diary and found out they were talking about anyone like Avina talks about controlling Seven, I’d recommend therapy (as well as the rest of the cast). That’s not an insult btw.
People may assume I’m being a bit too dramatic and that’s fair but if I were to read someone’s diary and found out they were talking about anyone like Avina talks about controlling Seven, I’d recommend therapy (as well as the rest of the cast). That’s not an insult btw.
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Hey everyone! I’m not sure if this is the right place to share this opinion, but if there’s a more suitable spot, I’d be happy to know.
Anyway, about UNSUPERVISED, there are a lot of things in the between the lines of the story. I don’t know if you’ve had the same feeling, but I definitely did. Nora Sblaza might have a much bigger role. For example, I’ve been wondering if Rattlebag and Thaumaturge are directly connected to her. And this might be a bit shocking, but I’ve been seriously reflecting on whether, in the route where we choose a female vigilante as MC’s mentor, it might actually be a more mature, older version of Nora herself — someone from the future. I can’t say exactly why, but it seems like the story could explore this more down the line.
There are small similarities between young Nora and the Vigilante Mentor — the way the Mentor is, her demeanor. She’s dark, serious, straight to the point, and she even mentions that she dove into the darker side of life because of what happened with her family. Young Nora seems to have gone through something similar — her family was murdered, and she’s left with intense feelings of revenge. She distances herself even further from her group of friends and later adopts a “dark” lifestyle, like a mercenary. Young Nora also has a somewhat dark personality herself — serious, direct, no-nonsense.
In a later chapter, it’s revealed that MC’s mentor had a wife and a child — and it seems something happened to them (I don’t remember if the story switches from “wife” to “husband,” but I’ve seen it many times, and it’s always “wife”). During the scene where Rattlebag and MC talk, there’s a moment where MC could say that the orphanage where they spent their childhood wouldn’t allow Rattlebag to adopt a child, and Rattlebag’s reaction hits him — as if that’s a sensitive topic for him. He says he’d be a better father than his own dad. That made me think about the mentor’s child — the way that subject was presented, especially since the mentor shows a photo of herself with her family, along with other pictures of people with the caption “those we failed.” It really seems like something happened to her wife and child — maybe. That’s why MC’s comment hits Rattlebag so hard. But how? It wasn’t Nora standing there — it was some thin, old man, as the game describes. But what if Nora somehow disguised herself? Like, some kind of disguise? Why would she do that? Could it be an attempt to persuade MC to join her plans involving the Adversary?
Plus, Rattlebag mentions that he knows about Blair, MC’s childhood friend. He even admits he knows a lot about MC, as if he’s familiar with them on a very personal level. Now, about Thaumaturge — I think Nora might have disguised herself as him too. Even though MC can’t clearly see Thaumaturge's face, there are hints that he’s a short person — just like Nora. Also, Nora doesn’t seem comfortable with swearing or using harsh words, and during their dialogue, MC might curse, but Thaumaturge clearly disapproves, saying MC is better than that. A specific similarity between Thaumaturge and Nora. Thaumaturge talks about how MC would handle the safety of their loved ones — how far they’d go to save them (which gives off the same vibe as Nora, who might have tried to do something for her family or seek revenge after their death).
Furthermore, both villains’ speeches and actions are very similar to the language used by the Adversary — as if everything is a way to persuade MC to join their cause. But I feel this persuasion effort is even stronger when Nora has romantic interest in MC, making that her main motivation for wanting MC to join her.
And it gets even more bizarre, but I also think that the mentor’s wife might actually be MC herself! When Rattlebag says she would make a good father, I got the feeling he wasn’t just referring to an older Nora as a mother, but that her child could also be MC's child— her wife. Early in the game, MC’s mentor says that it was HER who pulled her out of darkness and gave her a reason to step out of the shadows, giving her hope. An older version of MC, Nora’s wife could have done that for her, which might include convincing her to have a child together. But somehow, Nora failed her child — which explains Rattlebag’s reaction.
Another thing: even if we choose a heroic female mentor, I keep thinking she might actually be the older, more mature version of MC — a hero who’s already grown and ready. That feeling grew stronger when I saw the conversation between young MC and her future self near the end of the story. Since the Omega Responders were on a great mission that led to their disappearance for a while, MC’s older self is also dealing with something similar — something very intense, as you can tell from the dialogue.
Anyway, those are my thoughts based on the route with a female MC, a female mentor, and a romantic route with Nora. I honestly don’t know if Nora could have a romantic interest in a male MC. I didn't try. That’s a pretty wild theory, I know, and I realize there are many gaps and holes, but this is just my late-night rambling after a sleepless night, wandering through my mind.
Anyway, about UNSUPERVISED, there are a lot of things in the between the lines of the story. I don’t know if you’ve had the same feeling, but I definitely did. Nora Sblaza might have a much bigger role. For example, I’ve been wondering if Rattlebag and Thaumaturge are directly connected to her. And this might be a bit shocking, but I’ve been seriously reflecting on whether, in the route where we choose a female vigilante as MC’s mentor, it might actually be a more mature, older version of Nora herself — someone from the future. I can’t say exactly why, but it seems like the story could explore this more down the line.
There are small similarities between young Nora and the Vigilante Mentor — the way the Mentor is, her demeanor. She’s dark, serious, straight to the point, and she even mentions that she dove into the darker side of life because of what happened with her family. Young Nora seems to have gone through something similar — her family was murdered, and she’s left with intense feelings of revenge. She distances herself even further from her group of friends and later adopts a “dark” lifestyle, like a mercenary. Young Nora also has a somewhat dark personality herself — serious, direct, no-nonsense.
In a later chapter, it’s revealed that MC’s mentor had a wife and a child — and it seems something happened to them (I don’t remember if the story switches from “wife” to “husband,” but I’ve seen it many times, and it’s always “wife”). During the scene where Rattlebag and MC talk, there’s a moment where MC could say that the orphanage where they spent their childhood wouldn’t allow Rattlebag to adopt a child, and Rattlebag’s reaction hits him — as if that’s a sensitive topic for him. He says he’d be a better father than his own dad. That made me think about the mentor’s child — the way that subject was presented, especially since the mentor shows a photo of herself with her family, along with other pictures of people with the caption “those we failed.” It really seems like something happened to her wife and child — maybe. That’s why MC’s comment hits Rattlebag so hard. But how? It wasn’t Nora standing there — it was some thin, old man, as the game describes. But what if Nora somehow disguised herself? Like, some kind of disguise? Why would she do that? Could it be an attempt to persuade MC to join her plans involving the Adversary?
Plus, Rattlebag mentions that he knows about Blair, MC’s childhood friend. He even admits he knows a lot about MC, as if he’s familiar with them on a very personal level. Now, about Thaumaturge — I think Nora might have disguised herself as him too. Even though MC can’t clearly see Thaumaturge's face, there are hints that he’s a short person — just like Nora. Also, Nora doesn’t seem comfortable with swearing or using harsh words, and during their dialogue, MC might curse, but Thaumaturge clearly disapproves, saying MC is better than that. A specific similarity between Thaumaturge and Nora. Thaumaturge talks about how MC would handle the safety of their loved ones — how far they’d go to save them (which gives off the same vibe as Nora, who might have tried to do something for her family or seek revenge after their death).
Furthermore, both villains’ speeches and actions are very similar to the language used by the Adversary — as if everything is a way to persuade MC to join their cause. But I feel this persuasion effort is even stronger when Nora has romantic interest in MC, making that her main motivation for wanting MC to join her.
And it gets even more bizarre, but I also think that the mentor’s wife might actually be MC herself! When Rattlebag says she would make a good father, I got the feeling he wasn’t just referring to an older Nora as a mother, but that her child could also be MC's child— her wife. Early in the game, MC’s mentor says that it was HER who pulled her out of darkness and gave her a reason to step out of the shadows, giving her hope. An older version of MC, Nora’s wife could have done that for her, which might include convincing her to have a child together. But somehow, Nora failed her child — which explains Rattlebag’s reaction.
Another thing: even if we choose a heroic female mentor, I keep thinking she might actually be the older, more mature version of MC — a hero who’s already grown and ready. That feeling grew stronger when I saw the conversation between young MC and her future self near the end of the story. Since the Omega Responders were on a great mission that led to their disappearance for a while, MC’s older self is also dealing with something similar — something very intense, as you can tell from the dialogue.
Anyway, those are my thoughts based on the route with a female MC, a female mentor, and a romantic route with Nora. I honestly don’t know if Nora could have a romantic interest in a male MC. I didn't try. That’s a pretty wild theory, I know, and I realize there are many gaps and holes, but this is just my late-night rambling after a sleepless night, wandering through my mind.
I might be way out of touch with people but there is no-way this is legit and isn't just some elaborate trolling...
It's his theory