Path of martial arts: leaked sneak peaks, and discussing thread

[LuciDio]

Yeah at full power during the Jack fight, the Thunderfaller has massively outscaled anything any Houtian has shown in PoMA. Taking into account that the Jade Dragon Foundation is written in to the lore unlike the cheat mode in PoMA, we can assume that the Thunderfaller is Late Xiantian or Peak with the transformation (the Godhand transformation absolutely demolishes Jack with no chance to resist).

With the Jade Dragon Foundation, the latest chapter actually allows you to show your true power a couple of times, where you can actually resist and fight an Akuma Lord directly, who is stated by Angelo (a Saint who could fight a whole sect by himself without any damage to himself) to be above his current power level but below a regular Archon.

I think cultivator-anon started with a lower level verse but with time it changed to something actually more powerful than PoMA. The regular descriptions of the Thunderfaller moving faster than the speed of sound, being blown through 80 feet of solid rock with a punch and surviving ( albeit with a Gate empowering them ), and the often forgotten Goro cheapshot, where with enough Fortitude cores the MC shrugs off being blown 2 miles away faster than the speed of sound and crashing into a giant stone statue without any harm except being a bit stunned.

The Thunderfaller, unlike the Wu Heir, actually has massive durability due to the fact that 95% percent of their fights can end without any wounds to them with enough Fortitude or skill, while the Wu Heir gets constantly bodied by opponents that are weaker than them even if they have enough Constitution.

So yeah until the Wu Heir pulls out some actual cultivation moves, he's still a fraud and a forever potential man. The current peak possible Thunderfaller wins in every aspect except maybe hax and stuff like poison.

 

[LuciDio]

Spoiler: Spoliers about the end of Chapter 8 of Aura Clash

What's also crazy is that in the Aura Clash world, this tournament is for Outer Provinces disciples only, and it's also stated multiple times even during the Transofrmation fight that Inner Kingdom Upper Disciples are casually at this level, where as in PoMA you are part of one of the 3 great sects and the one with the most Shangtians as well.

You can get trained by 2 of them as well, so while the Wu Heir get's trained by the top 2 and top 4-5 in the verse ( Monkey God and Yang Bohai ), the Thunderfaller either trains by themselves or by trash like Mao, who doesn't even care about your progress. Now that will change because the Thunderfaller is either part of the Top Five and will get a ****-ton of recourses and training because of that or secures an alliance with the daughter of one of the Exalts.

 

[Mr lol]

Talking of splitting mountain I remember that one S in POMA that split the sea...and POMA world scaling is quite low...only 3 realms all of them are not even a real level...in what realm in Nikiverse do u think will outscale AC? Because it can go up to God realm

 

[LuciDio]

Talking of splitting mountain I remember that one S in POMA that split the sea...and POMA world scaling is quite low...only 3 realms all of them are not even a real level...in what realm in Nikiverse do u think will outscale AC? Because it can go up to God realm

Tbh I don't think it will, because in Aura Clash there's also the God Realm ( supposedly ). The Thunderfaller mentions Ascended beings and how they are kicked out of the low level world similar to PoMA, and if rumors are to be believed we even meet one of those beings when he talks to Guiren in the tavern. It was said that he's capable of granting others aura pressure, which is thought to be impossible so it might actually be true.

Besides that the Thunderfaller also mentions the Heavenly Dao and higher realms, but it's not a confirmed fact and more a speculation. But I personally think it's true because of the calamity that destroyed the Cathayan Empire was major planetary level, and it seems like something the Heavens did because the Cathayan cultivators got too powerful for a lower realm and were kicked out on masse and the world reshaped.

To actually reiterate the point about Aura Clash outscaling PoMA, the mountain split was done by Jack who is an Outer Province Outer Disciple albeit a very very strong one. The Thunderfaller says during the fight that in the Gate and with the Transformation Jack's AP grows beyond Mao's, which actually puts him on the level of an Inner Kingdom Inner Disciple, not even a sect master.

While the sea split would be admittedly more impressive, it was done by a Shangtian of which there are less than 15 in the world and they are considered the peak of the verse. Whereas the Mountain feat was done by a prodigy disciple, who continued fighting at full strength for a lot longer and didn't even seem spent after at all. Though that is due to the Gate energies and

Spoiler: Spoiler

White Tiger Chi.

 

[Diamondhead]

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Tbh I don't think it will, because in Aura Clash there's also the God Realm ( supposedly ). The Thunderfaller mentions Ascended beings and how they are kicked out of the low level world similar to PoMA, and if rumors are to be believed we even meet one of those beings when he talks to Guiren in the tavern. It was said that he's capable of granting others aura pressure, which is thought to be impossible so it might actually be true.

Besides that the Thunderfaller also mentions the Heavenly Dao and higher realms, but it's not a confirmed fact and more a speculation. But I personally think it's true because of the calamity that destroyed the Cathayan Empire was major planetary level, and it seems like something the Heavens did because the Cathayan cultivators got too powerful for a lower realm and were kicked out on masse and the world reshaped.

To actually reiterate the point about Aura Clash outscaling PoMA, the mountain split was done by Jack who is an Outer Province Outer Disciple albeit a very very strong one. The Thunderfaller says during the fight that in the Gate and with the Transformation Jack's AP grows beyond Mao's, which actually puts him on the level of an Inner Kingdom Inner Disciple, not even a sect master.

While the sea split would be admittedly more impressive, it was done by a Shangtian of which there are less than 15 in the world and they are considered the peak of the verse. Whereas the Mountain feat was done by a prodigy disciple, who continued fighting at full strength for a lot longer and didn't even seem spent after at all. Though that is due to the Gate energies and

Spoiler: Spoiler

White Tiger Chi.

Also the top tier martial artists in AC can destroy a small country (size of Ireland) in one blow.These are all people on the planet.Fore the heavens the scale is much bigger as the weakest ascendant can one shot the strongest wild god and there are ascended beings who have been cultivating for billions of years so yeah at the very top AC is just like any other Cultivation hierarchy power wise.Also AC verse was never low level it was just the difference is very exponential in AC like 2000 ap vs 4000 ap doesn't mean he is twice ast strong nope the difference is exponential to the level that the 4k guy is much more than twice as strong and this exponential scale only grows.

 

[LuciDio]

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Also the top tier martial artists in AC cab destroy a small country (size of Ireland) in one blow.These are all people on the planet.Fore the heavens the scale is much bigger as the weakest ascendant can one shot the strongest wild god and there are ascended beings who have been cultivating for billions of years so yeah at the very top AC is just like any other Cultivation hierarchy power wise.

Yeah definitely. It's not that the verse is weak as everyone thought before, it's actually very similar to PoMA, where the AC world is just a Lower Realm compared to PoMAs barren world. Also I personally believe that cultivator-anon actually scaled everything up as he went on writing, with the introduction of the

Spoiler

White Tiger plotline.

It's starting to look a lot like PoMA where a God Realm being is in a Lower Realm.

 

[Diamondhead]

Yeah definitely. It's not that the verse is weak as everyone thought before, it's actually very similar to PoMA, where the AC world is just a Lower Realm compared to PoMAs barren world. Also I personally believe that cultivator-anon actually scaled everything up as he went on writing, with the introduction of the

Spoiler

White Tiger plotline.

It's starting to look a lot like PoMA where a God Realm being is in a Lower Realm.

White tiger is not something godly it is similarly a tool of heavens ofcourse we don't know what think of it as but it is like JDF in the way of being heavens tool.Ac won't have direct heavenly interventions till mc actually ascends.There hasn't really been any upscale as he had planned these things very early and as I said it isn't as powerful as you are thinking.

 

[LuciDio]

White tiger is not something godly it is similarly a tool of heavens ofcourse we don't know what think of it as but it is like JDF .Ac won't have direct heavenly interventions till mc actually ascends.There hasn't really been any upscale as he had planned these things very early and as I said it isn't as powerful as you are thinking.

I don't think it's a tool. Black Flower at least says that it is one of the pillars of creation and only serves the mechanic of the Turning of The Wheel. I think it may be either a Godly realm being and a servant of the Heavens or some power of the Universe given form.

Can't really take a villain's words for granted but here's the direct quote:

Spoiler

The White Tiger is a pillar of the world, serving a core mechanic of the Turning of the Wheel. It was lost to tragedy and returned anew. Putrid imitations dare to mimic its power, grasping to fill a vacuum in the it's absence, but they will all die. It is sad that the White Tiger's purpose and true natures have been forgotten by modern mortals, but it matters not. They will be reminded soon.

Also it says that it has it's own constellation and in Xianxia it often means a God Realm being. She also speaks about it in a more personal tone so I don't think it's some mindless instrument.

Here's another quote:

Spoiler

Only the White Tiger could survive an attack of its own mighty chi.\" Black Flower taunts. \"So welcome back, my master, or die, imposter.

Finally since it's a PoMA thread, idk how much this can be discussed here without incurring the wrath of the Celestial Bureaucracy.

 

[Diamondhead]

I don't think it's a tool. Black Flower at least says that it is one of the pillars of creation and only serves the mechanic of the Turning of The Wheel. I think it may be either a Godly realm being and a servant of the Heavens or some power of the Universe given form.

Can't really take a villain's words for granted but here's the direct quote:

Spoiler

The White Tiger is a pillar of the world, serving a core mechanic of the Turning of the Wheel. It was lost to tragedy and returned anew. Putrid imitations dare to mimic its power, grasping to fill a vacuum in the it's absence, but they will all die. It is sad that the White Tiger's purpose and true natures have been forgotten by modern mortals, but it matters not. They will be reminded soon.

Also it says that it has it's own constellation and in Xianxia it often means a God Realm being. She also speaks about it in a more personal tone so I don't think it's some mindless instrument.

Here's another quote:

Spoiler

Only the White Tiger could survive an attack of its own mighty chi.\" Black Flower taunts. \"So welcome back, my master, or die, imposter.

Finally since it's a PoMA thread, idk how much this can be discussed here without incurring the wrath of the Celestial Bureaucracy.

Oh I read all that the thing is only things around the level of lower realm can be on the planet even if someone in heavens is doing some **** they will be found out so simply how things are supposed to work the thing is no where near godly it will be well below the strongest wild god Wukong who is in turn weaker than the weakest Ascended being .The white tiger being a pillar shouldn't be something that will be harmful for the world as we already know stronger beings have a negative effects on the planet since they reach 20k AP .So yeah the white tiger is likely either going to be a concept of power or a tool similar to JDF or akuma lords themselves don't have enough info on it which is likely the strongest theory but I can easily say this it won't be powerful than the strongest people it might be on par but not stronger and we already know old emperors which reached 25k+ AP were mostly JDF too so yeah I think that's the level of white tiger. Also the white tiger is also likely to be one of the 4 Auspicious beasts
But agreed we should stop discussing AC here lol

 

[Mr lol]

So basically both Nikiverse and that of AC world are quite similar both are scale similarly it's just the Wu heir is in the barren land where Thunderfaller is in a REAL world

 

[LuciDio]

So basically both Nikiverse and that of AC world are quite similar both are scale similarly it's just the Wu heir is in the barren land where Thunderfaller is in a REAL world

Pretty much. Altough I'd say that the AC world on a larger scale is not that strong. As Niki said on tumblr I think, there are barren worlds (irl Earth), weak worlds like AC where Qi is present but not in great concentration, Qi rich worlds where everyone can become a lower level cultivator by just being born with meridians as a mutation and Godly Worlds and Planes where higher level cultivators and Divine Sects reside.

Now that I think about it, in the Nikiverse Beasts exist but I don't remember how. Inner Energy was taught by Tang Wei and requires mental effort and training to increase, while Beasts shouldn't know how to do it unless they are human level in intellect. I think some Beasts come out of Danger Zones but what about that wolf from the beginning of the game which wants to eat the child?

Is there any info on that anywhere?

 

[Mr lol]

Pretty much. Altough I'd say that the AC world on a larger scale is not that strong. As Niki said on tumblr I think, there are barren worlds (irl Earth), weak worlds like AC where Qi is present but not in great concentration, Qi rich worlds where everyone can become a lower level cultivator by just being born with meridians as a mutation and Godly Worlds and Planes where higher level cultivators and Divine Sects reside.

Now that I think about it, in the Nikiverse Beasts exist but I don't remember how. Inner Energy was taught by Tang Wei and requires mental effort and training to increase, while Beasts shouldn't know how to do it unless they are human level in intellect. I think some Beasts come out of Danger Zones but what about that wolf from the beginning of the game which wants to eat the child?

Is there any info on that anywhere?

Some beast can turn to human like dragon and it can become God like shen long mu

 

[LuciDio]

Some beast can turn to human like dragon and it can become God like shen long mu

Yeah but how? It makes sense on Qi rich worlds, where they just absorb the Qi from the air and eating food and cultivators. Does eating Martial Artists with IE also confer it to the Beast? Cause killing MAs allows the Wu Heir to gather Qi and refinement points, but that's only because they have meridians and had been taught by TW. If IE is a corrupted version of Qi that somehow drains bodily potential as it's currently stated to be, it's interesting that Beasts can just consume it like Qi.

Also Shen Long Mu ascended through Qi and not IE. Dragons are kinda special like that, where they are the favored of the Heavens and kinda avoid the whole no Qi in the world issue.

 

[samthefanboi]

what do you guys think is the deal with Thunderfaller having access to Asura?

 

[LuciDio]

what do you guys think is the deal with Thunderfaller having access to Asura?

Just a stylistic choice I believe. If you're a monkey yokai you get the Great Ape form otherwise you choose between Asura and Titan forms. In PoMA it's a whole other thing, but in AC I believe you just choose how to use the Wild Chi to Transform. It gives different bonuses, Titan gives extra damage all the time and Asura gives dual wield and focused attacks.

 

[God]

I’m kinda disagreeing with a lot of takes ngl. I actually did the research and Poma world was by far stronger. Bro you realize that fight took place in a gate right? That’s literally the only reason, Jack even makes that a point. AC is just more flashier, that’s why you think it’s more stronger, I also do not think White Tiger is god realm at all. I can literally run it back just adding chapter 8 into the research and see.

 

[God]

Pretty much. Altough I'd say that the AC world on a larger scale is not that strong. As Niki said on tumblr I think, there are barren worlds (irl Earth), weak worlds like AC where Qi is present but not in great concentration, Qi rich worlds where everyone can become a lower level cultivator by just being born with meridians as a mutation and Godly Worlds and Planes where higher level cultivators and Divine Sects reside.

Now that I think about it, in the Nikiverse Beasts exist but I don't remember how. Inner Energy was taught by Tang Wei and requires mental effort and training to increase, while Beasts shouldn't know how to do it unless they are human level in intellect. I think some Beasts come out of Danger Zones but what about that wolf from the beginning of the game which wants to eat the child?

Is there any info on that anywhere?

It’s like their innate ability, if I remember correctly it was said somewhere before.

 

[samthefanboi]

Just a stylistic choice I believe. If you're a monkey yokai you get the Great Ape form otherwise you choose between Asura and Titan forms. In PoMA it's a whole other thing, but in AC I believe you just choose how to use the Wild Chi to Transform. It gives different bonuses, Titan gives extra damage all the time and Asura gives dual wield and focused attacks.

yeah but chu says Asura is not the wild chi transformation

 

[Jorgoe]

I don't think they are that far off in powerscaling anymore. POMA not being flashy is probably because of the barren land. And AC too I thought was less powerful. That was until gods and the literal Sun Wokung was introduced to train you. A being considered in Chinese literature as someone who plays gods like a fool. Aura Clash is not wuxia as previously thought, it's a Xianxia. An actual good one which is rare.

 

[LuciDio]

I’m kinda disagreeing with a lot of takes ngl. I actually did the research and Poma world was by far stronger. Bro you realize that fight took place in a gate right? That’s literally the only reason, Jack even makes that a point. AC is just more flashier, that’s why you think it’s more stronger, I also do not think White Tiger is god realm at all. I can literally run it back just adding chapter 8 into the research and see.

I mean that's cool. I'd love to hear your points. You were the guy who did the AI battle thing right?

It'd be cool to see what happens with chapter 8 added in, but I believe it changed a lot tbh. Also I did mention multiple times that the Gates were responsible for the more flashy stuff from both Jack and the Thunderfaller.

But overall I still believe the Thunderfaller is a lot stronger than the PoMA MC after this fight and Chapter 8 in general. Before the fight, when you go to Rin and Jin's trials, Jack summons the meteor in the Entertainment District without the Gate. It does say that his Aura is being spent, but after he summons it, the MC says it's an acre wide and was falling from beyond the clouds. Also after the Archon disperses the meteor Jack is not winded or tired at all, meaning that it's not an all out ult or anything.

If you consider that the Thunderfaller survives a direct impact from that thing before even knowing that there is a gate there, it's safe to say he's a lot more durable than the Wu Heir since we haven't been shown anything that would point to the contrary. I know the Jade Dragon is a cheat mode, but I'll mention that with it on, the Thunderfaller takes literally zero damage from that and the ground breaks without their Aura or body breaking.

As said before, the Yang Bohai slap is probably the greatest durability feat we've seen from the Wu Heir, and it's wanked into oblivion. There is no way the slap was even half a percent of his power, and in general I'd say the slap is just a holdover from earlier versions where Niki allowed crazier stuff to happen when the MC had cheat mode on.

Strength and speed wise I'd say it's closer but maxed Thunderfaller still takes this. During the strength trial if you make it to the end it says that the weight you are carrying is so great that every step leaves shoe imprints in the stone floor. If we assume a standard male shoe size and both feet on the ground then the weight would have to be close to 172 tonnes for something like this to happen if the imprint is only 5cm. Half that if we consider that the stone deforms only step by step. And the Thunderfaller carries that around the whole arena after doing that with lesser weights 10 times.

Speed wise it's harder to tell but at the Rabbit trial, getting first place requires you to run so fast that air resistance becomes a big problem and the air condenses around you. And the Thunderfaller does that for 5+ minutes straight. The speed required for air to begin condense in such a way is mach 0.3 which is a third of the speed of sound in a sustained 5+ minute sprint. If we consider that the Gate is stated to double the Thunderfaller's power though and take above the speed of sound as a descriptor, the speed at the end of the Rabbit trial is 500km/h give or take which is half the speed of sound of sustained speed.

For poisons and regeneration, I'll have to give it to the Heir, because we just don't have a lot for AC. Though in the Dragon trial, you can meet a guy who uses a technique to slash yours and his throat and freezes both of you in place, waiting for you to bleed out so he can take your power. You can beat him, and for that you have to bleed from your throat for 3+ minutes while not being able to do anything, and you are fine afterwards when you rest. With the Jade Dragon Foundation, the Thunderfaller just laughs and literally says that he can't die from blood loss, like all dragons (lol).

Dao wise, the Wu Heir definitely takes versatility, but that's only if you consider potential. Because currently, the Wu Heir is a dummy and not using multiple Dao. This will be probably corrected next update on the LB route. Otherwise, some styles like the Sacred Chi combined with 2 elements give the AC mc a lot of versatility as well.

Currently there's just no evidence besides potential that the Wu Heir can beat them without the Devil, and even then the Devil is hard to scale because in PoMa stats make no goddamn sense balance wise.