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yourstalkeroutside

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some other portrait website (I don't remember the name, I often saw it before AI trend comes to public)
If you're talking about Artbreeder, it's AI. Always has been. Waifu Labs (where my pfp comes from) is also another AI generator site that has been around before the trend. Both aren't as good as say DALL-E or Chat GPT especially when it comes to the usual tells of AI (hands and eyes). Though I disagree with using Picrew, 99% of the image makers there forbid using it for non-personal use. Using Picrew would be putting yourself in the same problem as using AI when it comes to artists.

I for one, don't mind AI as long as it's being used as a tool. I've used AI to rewrite a couple paragraphs to be more descriptive or emotional in my writing. AI makes the tedious parts of writing and drawing easier. Stuck in a block? Use AI to generate potential ideas based on where your story is heading.

However, using it to generate entire works and trying to sell them as is is pretty ****ing scummy. The problem is, people hear AI use and tend to jump to the worst possible scenario. The AI I use barely works unless you write about 500 words to properly train it. There's also the argument of privacy and data but I believe that if you don't want your stuff ending up in some bot somewhere, don't post it on the internet. Posting it on the Internet, especially social media comes with the acknowledgement that you're putting in up in a place where it's easily leaked or accessed without your consent. 'If something is for free that means that you're the product' is pretty much something people need to remember with social media. The climate argument is *** though, a 12 year old with basic knowledge of the water cycle could refute it. People are just using climate change as some sort of moral panic and not an actual problem at has very little to do with computers and servers.
 

Gone_Dead

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And also why if it's AI writing, people can see the fault but when it comes to AI art, some people can't see the same? What is this unfair treatment lmao. Both are using creative skill so it's not nice to use AI to replace this 'creative' process.
A writer using AI to illustrate very occasional images is not using them as the selling point of their product. Writers can very well do without images in their work. Its only when the writer wants the readers to have the maximum experience possible or pull in more audience who would rather have colours on the screen, do they use AI to mould a character from the description they give. This doesn't impact their creative process in any way. It can be described as a smart way to use AI in a creative process or a smart way to use AI in a commercial process.

Whether there's an AI image or not has no impact on the author's writing because the author's audience only buy their product for its writing and is advertised as such. AI images are just a way to bring them more to life and its their decision at the end of the day. People would jump at the AI hate bandwagon immediately when the word is uttered. AI is amazing for a lot of purposes but at the end of the day its in the hands of the user to utilize it in an ethical scale. What that ethical scale is might differ a lot for different people since ethics is not black and white.
 

zareichie

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If you're talking about Artbreeder, it's AI. Always has been. Waifu Labs (where my pfp comes from) is also another AI generator site that has been around before the trend. Both aren't as good as say DALL-E or Chat GPT especially when it comes to the usual tells of AI (hands and eyes). Though I disagree with using Picrew, 99% of the image makers there forbid using it for non-personal use. Using Picrew would be putting yourself in the same problem as using AI when it comes to artists.
Who said to use it for commercial/non-personal purposes? If you want to use it for commercial purposes in the first place, why not commission an artist instead? I said Picrew because they said the author wants to visualize their character, which I assume is for their project that isn't paid. I guess it's my fault for assuming.

About artbreeder, yes, that one. Figured it's also AI. At least it's limited to only portrait... :/

However, using it to generate entire works and trying to sell them as is is pretty ****ing scummy. The problem is, people hear AI use and tend to jump to the worst possible scenario.
Because people tend not to understand if it's not their problem. A lot of irresponsible people abuse AI, making other people upset and scared.
There should be a regulation about AI use so people can see AI in a good way.
 

zareichie

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A writer using AI to illustrate very occasional images is not using them as the selling point of their product. Writers can very well do without images in their work. Its only when the writer wants the readers to have the maximum experience possible or pull in more audience who would rather have colours on the screen, do they use AI to mould a character from the description they give. This doesn't impact their creative process in any way. It can be described as a smart way to use AI in a creative process or a smart way to use AI in a commercial process.

Whether there's an AI image or not has no impact on the author's writing because the author's audience only buy their product for its writing and is advertised as such. AI images are just a way to bring them more to life and its their decision at the end of the day. People would jump at the AI hate bandwagon immediately when the word is uttered. AI is amazing for a lot of purposes but at the end of the day its in the hands of the user to utilize it in an ethical scale. What that ethical scale is might differ a lot for different people since ethics is not black and white.

Alright, using your logic, I guess it's also okay for artists to use AI to generate words because their selling point is their art (an example, maybe children's books). No need to hire a writer. Why would we use the complicated way when there's an easy way~
 

seneya

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Why would we use the complicated way when there's an easy way~
I feel like I need to point out that this is exactly the line of thinking that gets people pushed out by AI. Even if the quality is lower, at least it's quick and free.
But we exist in a society where we need to sell our skills and labor to survive. I doubt people cheering on AI cause it lets them save costs by not paying a professional will be very happy if it's their job getting cut lol... or if we reach the point where computers take over intellectual labor and the only option is to like toil in the fields
 

God

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From a neutral standpoint I find this conversation so tired, the anti Ai side will always see red when it comes to Ai. Honestly both sides have a point, it can help your creative process, but some people also use it as an excuse to be lazy. Let’s dig deeper I’ve been in some communities where they’ve set up their own LLM and the result of the art looked human realistically made, the problem is trying to lie and claim you created it I have no problem if it’s upfront. I’ve also seen people posts slop and it seems they didn’t even try, that’s where my problem comes from. I also notice the anti Ai are just rude for no reason tbh, I saw someone use chat gpt as a reporter/media for a sports game asking questions and the comments were like use your imagination lazy ***??? I don’t see the problem with it being used that way. Now writing a whole story like what happened with COG yeah no that’s being lazy and unimaginative, you can use it for ideas and helping give story pointers or how to improve dialogue, but with that you also want to put your own words into account. “Just commission” not everyone can afford it actually I remember seeing a few artists say they’d make some art for some people if they promise not to use Ai art again. I think you won’t even need art once your game gets popular enough tbh I’ve seen some make art for free for their favorite games. Yes just what the world needs for more regulations restricting what Ai can be used for. Just know that’ll be worse because the big corporations already are using Ai the only be who will suffer from regulations are the everyday people lol. Ai is only going to get better and better it’s a growing industry billions being put into it which is scary I believe, like I watched someone use Claude 3.7 (which is one of the best for coding) at work on multiple projects and he said he only had to correct it and put it on track a few times. The thing about Ai is the everyday person does not care truly if they’re not in online spaces they just see something made by Ai and think cool, seriously I showed some friends who aren’t in these spaces some Ghibli Style Ai when it was trending a few weeks ago, and they just thought it was cool and wanted to do it themselves. It’s a losing war. I have problems with the people who use Ai at times, some are very cringe. Honestly the way some of you think is hilarious, because you would be the first one’s to critique someone writing style and then wonder why some run to Ai. I probably won’t read someone who clearly isn’t a good writer stories, but also won’t read a story clearly written by Ai. There’s a middle ground to be found. Funny to look back in the old days like 80’s, 90’s people dreamed of having Ai do everything now in reality they realize the damages. I just wish people kept the same energy, like in the US I’ve seen people complain about Ai, but then use self checkout ironic to me. Just my 2 cents. Ai should not be a tool you use to do everything for you, it should be like an extension to help you. I’m sorry, but the truth is humans will always take the free option over paying every time. It’s the way the mind works.
 

zareichie

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I feel like I need to point out that this is exactly the line of thinking that gets people pushed out by AI. Even if the quality is lower, at least it's quick and free.
But we exist in a society where we need to sell our skills and labor to survive. I doubt people cheering on AI cause it lets them save costs by not paying a professional will be very happy if it's their job getting cut lol... or if we reach the point where computers take over intellectual labor and the only option is to like toil in the fields
True... It's sad how the world has become like this
 

Gone_Dead

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Alright, using your logic, I guess it's also okay for artists to use AI to generate words because their selling point is their art (an example, maybe children's books). No need to hire a writer.
Do you really think both are the same and do you really think what you said makes any sense? Besides, I clearly stated 'very occasional use of AI' at the very start of my comment. I also specifically stated that the ethics of AI is muddled but its in the hand of those who use it to conform to a reasonably ethical norm.

Why would we use the complicated way when there's an easy way~
This should never be the thought process of those who intend to use AI in their work. AI, unless and until there is a big break in the future, is all about efficiency. If said complicated way is resource constricting, ofc one would chase the more efficient way. I agree that people using AI for creating illustrations would mean actual artists would experience a dip in the need for their services. On this aspect it is very unfair, but at the same time is it fair to restrict access to such features because someone might lose the opportunity to earn money? The answer for this is monetisation, for both the artists work and the use and access of AI.

Use of AI will always be frowned upon. If i say one point, you can counter with another and it keeps on going. I only speak with my experience on working with AI and its subclasses. I cant speak anymore than that since im no expert.
 

zareichie

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Do you really think both are the same and do you really think what you said makes any sense? Besides, I clearly stated 'very occasional use of AI' at the very start of my comment. I also specifically stated that the ethics of AI is muddled but its in the hand of those who use it to conform to a reasonably ethical norm.

Use of AI will always be frowned upon. If i say one point, you can counter with another and it keeps on going. I only speak with my experience on working with AI and its subclasses. I cant speak anymore than that since im no expert.
Like you sharing your experience, I'm also just sharing my opinion ^^". If what I am saying doesn't make sense to you, well, it can't be helped. At the end of the day, every person has a different opinion, just like you said, everyone has a different ethical scale. I understand you and God's side. 'Cause I know very well a certain game developer who I won't named here in my country who uses AI because of efficiency and profit.

Edit: I'll stop hereee, and go touch some grass outside
 

Sleef

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So we've had this thread before the site got erased, so I think we could bring back again.

I'll start with Magikiras, the book had potential but the ending was very rushed without a good conclusion. I high-key feel like they will not bring a sequel, unless they redo the ending or something.
For me it was scales of justice. It wasn't a bad read but it's ending was just so abrupt. I can see what they were trying to go for but there was no further context of foreshadowing of any kind.
 

LosLorento

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Ah reading through that blog and it looks like my initial assumption was correct. It's just people ranting about what they don't like in the current IF culture and the IF writers talking about it is them going into spaces that aren't for them and getting mad that people have come away from their works with negative feelings. It's the "hate" Discord thing all over again lol. The blog doesn't even directly tag the authors so I dunno why they feel so attacked all of a sudden. Also people are allowed to have their opinions regardless of if something is free or not.
 

seneya

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IF writers talking about it is them going into spaces that aren't for them
Which doesn't have to be this way, because most IF writers are also IF readers. Just because you're writing something doesn't make your opinions as a reader magically disappear lol... so one'd think they'd understand where the other readers are coming from. In any case, I think blogs/threads like these can be educational for a writer if you can learn to filter feedback.
I don't remember what their if about. Remind me, please, if anyone knows
I think it was somth abt a forced/arranged marriage, though I also never made it past the first few screens.
 
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