Stories that left you disappointed for a reason

[SasariRomanii]

Me looking at the comments having not played The Abyssal or Fields of Asphodel like

Consider yourself lucky. The Abyssal isn't bad just another IF abandoned with an active Patreon (is it still active to this day or has the author finally close it down? If not then he's one hell of a b4stard). Fields of Asphodel is a mess that doesn't deserve a sequel but here we are with Blood of the Living! I think I'm gonna implode

 

[SasariRomanii]

Worst addition to the legends award: The French

And of course it's the French guy who stole his friend's wife, smh. To make matters worse, people are romanticizing it left and right like they did with Hades and Kore!

Anymore head shaking and my neck will pop

 

[ADB446]

Consider yourself lucky. The Abyssal isn't bad just another IF abandoned with an active Patreon (is it still active to this day or has the author finally close it down? If not then he's one hell of a b4stard). Fields of Asphodel is a mess that doesn't deserve a sequel but here we are with Blood of the Living! I think I'm gonna implode

Seems like they’re still active on patreon

 

[Gone_Dead]

Why are there little to minimal games which are set in the Crusades? I think its a really good setting for a grimdark game. I'm craving for something like the og Assassins Creed. An IF similar to AC with very minimal fantasy or sci fi elements would do amazing imo.

 

[seneya]

Why are there little to minimal games which are set in the Crusades? I think its a really good setting for a grimdark game.

Needs to be an author interested in the time period... Unlikely to want to do all the historical research otherwise

 

[Fuffff]

I tried Echoes of Olympus, and at first, I was excited because the game literally matched the exact type of mythology game I wanted to read... but it turns out it reeks of AI. Though I don't really have 100% proof

 

[seneya]

but it turns out it reeks of AI. Though I don't really have 100% proof

The author openly stated they used AI I believe
Saw the post on a thread somewhere

 

[Fuffff]

Yeah now I've seen the author literally confessed to using AI for the writing. At least he's honest about it so I can respect his decision. AI is also evolving so in the future I bet it'll be harder to notice. There was a game I exposed on COG Forum (Heroes and Heretics - my name there is Caccpix btw) for being AI written, but that one was obvious. Echoes of Olympus isn't as obvious, but if you're familiar with AI you'll notice something's off. I don't mind AI stuff in general but when it comes to writing? Nope.

 

[Lovecraft]

Yeah now I've seen the author literally confessed to using AI for the writing. At least he's honest about it so I can respect his decision. AI is also evolving so in the future I bet it'll be harder to notice. There was a game I exposed on COG Forum (Heroes and Heretics - my name there is Caccpix btw) for being AI written, but that one was obvious. Echoes of Olympus isn't as obvious, but if you're familiar with AI you'll notice something's off. I don't mind AI stuff in general but when it comes to writing? Nope.

Yeah at least the author has the decency to admit he's using AI unlike some other ones who try to pass it of as their own work

 

[Gone_Dead]

I'm gonna be honest, Idk why people hate on others when they use AI for simple illustrations. Like you want to visualize a character but you dont have the means to put them to picture, I see no faults in using AI to create an image from scratch. I see authors apologizing for using AI to make character illustarions and im like wtf are apologizing for? and there is no grounds to hate on it too. Unless they use AI to replace their creative process, I dont see any fault in it being used. As someone who's dabbled a lot in ML, my views are kinda distorted by it. I might need a lot of insight in regards of using AI in creative processes. My views atm is very narrow.

 

[seneya]

As someone who's dabbled a lot in ML, my views are kinda distorted by it. I might need a lot of insight in regards of using AI in creative processes. My views atm is very narrow.

Let's take the Echoes of Olympus game as an example.
The author states they used AI because they aren't a native English speaker.
As someone who's also not a native English speaker, and also an author, I think they're doing themselves a disservice by taking the easy way out. Why? They're never going to develop their English writing skills if they use AI to translate for them. They're not going to develop an author's voice, a unique writing style, or even just the understanding of the language needed to edit/improve their text.
Of course, these are not the things that everyone worries about. The author said they just want to get the story out. Fair enough. But you're not going to develop any writing (and related) skills if AI is doing it for you.
That's my perspective anyway.

 

[Vamp-kun]

Let's take the Echoes of Olympus game as an example.
The author states they used AI because they aren't a native English speaker.
As someone who's also not a native English speaker, and also an author, I think they're doing themselves a disservice by taking the easy way out. Why? They're never going to develop their English writing skills if they use AI to translate for them. They're not going to develop an author's voice, a unique writing style, or even just the understanding of the language needed to edit/improve their text.
Of course, these are not the things that everyone worries about. The author said they just want to get the story out. Fair enough. But you're not going to develop any writing (and related) skills if AI is doing it for you.
That's my perspective anyway.

On this kind of thing, I'd like to issue my own input.

My pen comrade is using AI to develop some drafts for her characters very quickly and then she updates the drafts according to her needs. Given that she doesn't really have free time, this little writing does her good. Because she'd love to be a full time writer one day.

Her actual writing style was cosmic horror levels of cynicism, so the AI helped her develop more voice styles in more ways!

It's fine, she's fine, I love her for it. She's honest, and finally found a tool that helped her get some lines to paper when she's burned out.

Now Halls of Sorcery, that abomination made me pay for an AI written story backed by the same company that diabolically tried to sneak in its first AI book, and then pretending they didn't know, is another primordial level of corporate arrogance.

A girl unable to think of lines due to exhaustion is nowhere near as bad as what CoG dared try to do sneakily.

 

[realman]

I'm gonna be honest, Idk why people hate on others when they use AI for simple illustrations. Like you want to visualize a character but you dont have the means to put them to picture, I see no faults in using AI to create an image from scratch. I see authors apologizing for using AI to make character illustarions and im like wtf are apologizing for? and there is no grounds to hate on it too.

there's some controversy around it for "polluting the enviroment" (but it's quite similar to a google search afaik) and it doesn't actually generate images from scratch. I think, and im praying i dont spread misinformation, it basically scans images across google and composes your art from those combined images, something like that but way more complicated probably. Some artists argue that it steals art.

As for my opinion on using AI for your characters, i personally think that using one of those character creators (ex: picrew) for my characters is very fun and I can make them exactly how i envisioned them instead of letting a computer do it and skewering some things that i wanted to include in the image.

imo that's a choice and there's nothing bad with making them from but im guessing they apologise as to not spark outrage or draw away people who are against ai content.

 

[seneya]

A girl unable to think of lines due to exhaustion is nowhere near as bad as what CoG dared try to do sneakily.

I mean, sure. Tbh I'm not against people creating stuff with AI, as long as it's labelled as such. However, if she wishes to be a writer, and not an "AI prompt manager", she has to develop her own skills. There's just no way around it, and I'm saying this as someone suffering from chronic exhaustion.
It's good if she feels AI helps her improve, but over-relying on it is... Sigh... Say there's no access to the internet, no access to AI. Bam, you're helpless, because these skills were never truly "your own".
Honestly tho using AI for character prompts or whatever is basically harmless compared to asking it for medical advice and s h i t. It just sometimes feels like we're giving up our research and thinking skills for the sake of quick and easy answers.
(on this overdramatic note, I disappear off into sunset)

 

[Gone_Dead]

there's some controversy around it for "polluting the enviroment" (but it's quite similar to a google search afaik) and it doesn't actually generate images from scratch. I think, and im praying i dont spread misinformation, it basically scans images across google and composes your art from those combined images, something like that but way more complicated probably. Some artists argue that it steals art.

As for my opinion on using AI for your characters, i personally think that using one of those character creators (ex: picrew) for my characters is very fun and I can make them exactly how i envisioned them instead of letting a computer do it and skewering some things that i wanted to include in the image.

imo that's a choice and there's nothing bad with making them from but im guessing they apologise as to not spark outrage or draw away people who are against ai content.

I dont mean it creates an image from nothing. It clearly is 'taught' from a vareity of opensource images. Ofc there's no guarentee that free AI online wouldnt have art made by others as part of its dataset, but paid AI only has images procured specifically for that and they keep teaching it more in an ethical sense. I know cuz the pain I had to go through to create a proper dataset to give to a self learning algorithm for a certain project of mine was immense.

 

[Gone_Dead]

I mean, sure. Tbh I'm not against people creating stuff with AI, as long as it's labelled as such. However, if she wishes to be a writer, and not an "AI prompt manager", she has to develop her own skills. There's just no way around it, and I'm saying this as someone suffering from chronic exhaustion.
It's good if she feels AI helps her improve, but over-relying on it is... Sigh... Say there's no access to the internet, no access to AI. Bam, you're helpless, because these skills were never truly "your own".
Honestly tho using AI for character prompts or whatever is basically harmless compared to asking it for medical advice and s h i t. It just sometimes feels like we're giving up our research and thinking skills for the sake of quick and easy answers.
(on this overdramatic note, I disappear off into sunset)

Whether she 'wishes' to learn more in regards to writing is very subjective and circumstantial. I believe the point being made is that it dials up the efficiency of the creator with minimal impedence on the creative process. This is what i believe should be the basis of AI use for now.

 

[Vamp-kun]

Whether she 'wishes' to learn more in regards to writing is very subjective and circumstantial. I believe the point being made is that it dials up the efficiency of the creator with minimal impedence on the creative process. This is what i believe should be the basis of AI use for now.

That's pretty much it. The AI can help in the parts like "what are those 4 major personally types, like the cynic or the epicurean," just to have a quick draft for later use, because you desperately need your six hours of sleep to be able to do another 12 hour shift tomorrow.

 

[zareichie]

I'm gonna be honest, Idk why people hate on others when they use AI for simple illustrations. Like you want to visualize a character but you dont have the means to put them to picture, I see no faults in using AI to create an image from scratch. I see authors apologizing for using AI to make character illustarions and im like wtf are apologizing for? and there is no grounds to hate on it too. Unless they use AI to replace their creative process, I dont see any fault in it being used. As someone who's dabbled a lot in ML, my views are kinda distorted by it. I might need a lot of insight in regards of using AI in creative processes. My views atm is very narrow.

Why not use other ways instead? Like picrew or some other portrait website (I don't remember the name, I often saw it before AI trend comes to public)

And also why if it's AI writing, people can see the fault but when it comes to AI art, some people can't see the same? What is this unfair treatment lmao. Both are using creative skill so it's not nice to use AI to replace this 'creative' process.

I don't mind if they're using AI to visualize their idea. But only for idea. But when it comes to publishing it to the public? A big no for me. Why not commissioned real artist to helps them create their character? Or if they don't want don't have the money, try use the free one like picrew?

Let's reverse the situation, what if there is artist who can't write but they still want to make story so they use AI to write their story. Do you still like the story? Even if their art is good? Think about it. It's the same for real artist out there who saw people keep using AI art just because it's free and the result looks 'good'.

there's some controversy around it for "polluting the enviroment" (but it's quite similar to a google search afaik) and it doesn't actually generate images from scratch. I think, and im praying i dont spread misinformation, it basically scans images across google and composes your art from those combined images, something like that but way more complicated probably. Some artists argue that it steals art.

Don't worry, you're true. It does steal art. An excellent example is AI Ghibli art trend. Where do you guys think AI got the resources from? From a scratch? From nothing? What's the science behind that reason lmao

 

[OrionCats]

I am getting curious, what blog are they talking about?

 

[yourstalkeroutside]

some other portrait website (I don't remember the name, I often saw it before AI trend comes to public)

If you're talking about Artbreeder, it's AI. Always has been. Waifu Labs (where my pfp comes from) is also another AI generator site that has been around before the trend. Both aren't as good as say DALL-E or Chat GPT especially when it comes to the usual tells of AI (hands and eyes). Though I disagree with using Picrew, 99% of the image makers there forbid using it for non-personal use. Using Picrew would be putting yourself in the same problem as using AI when it comes to artists.

I for one, don't mind AI as long as it's being used as a tool. I've used AI to rewrite a couple paragraphs to be more descriptive or emotional in my writing. AI makes the tedious parts of writing and drawing easier. Stuck in a block? Use AI to generate potential ideas based on where your story is heading.

However, using it to generate entire works and trying to sell them as is is pretty ****ing scummy. The problem is, people hear AI use and tend to jump to the worst possible scenario. The AI I use barely works unless you write about 500 words to properly train it. There's also the argument of privacy and data but I believe that if you don't want your stuff ending up in some bot somewhere, don't post it on the internet. Posting it on the Internet, especially social media comes with the acknowledgement that you're putting in up in a place where it's easily leaked or accessed without your consent. 'If something is for free that means that you're the product' is pretty much something people need to remember with social media. The climate argument is *** though, a 12 year old with basic knowledge of the water cycle could refute it. People are just using climate change as some sort of moral panic and not an actual problem at has very little to do with computers and servers.