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It's really weird to me how people seem to see social critique of issues as some kind of sign of obsession. Someone raises awareness and criticizes a subsection of a community that is doing bad things? They personally need to grow a thicker skin and stop caring. Someone criticizes that take? They aren't gonna live very long for equating it with gun violence by doing the time-tested thing everyone does to arguments of isolating and extrapolating out their logic. It's interesting to me how quickly it always devolves into personal attacks and insinuations of anyone daring to criticize something. Socially you have to recognize at the very least that this being the default response only further enables that bad behavior that everyone agrees is bad. And I've never really been one to take the easy way out and condemn others to suffer if I can help it by trying to address the root cause of an issue. But I don't wanna start an argument and get mods mad at me.
we've lived fairly different lives, that much i can tell from your responses this far. i never said what you proposed was wrong, i only pointed out how it was puerile at worst and potentially dangerous at best. and i only said the not living long enough part because you essentially said we should "talk it out" and somehow tried to paint buying a vest as an illogical response to literal gun related violence. wasn't anything personal nor me wishing you an early death, i just found what you said to be dumb as **** and in line with what i would expect to hear from someone living in a first world country trying to solve problems that have plagued humanity for centuries with kind words and common sense because common sense is so common after all, right?

>You're so right! We should strive to change ourselves to adapt to harmful environments rather than try to make the environments better. Why try to reduce gun crime when you have the money to buy a bullet proof vest instead? Clearly everyone else will be able to do the same and we can keep the same status quo for ourselves and our children rather than trying to actually make their lives better.

>But I don't wanna start an argument and get mods mad at me

beckpeddaling like crazyyy. **** the mods, as far as the both of us are concerned. neither of us post content and both of us could make new accounts to continue pirating on this site with no ramifications whatsoever. don't try to stand the moral highground after saying allat.

my point was simple and largely inoffensive, really. all i said was that it's better to change/improve what you can; rather than to wait on the world to change, even when you're objectively right and the world _should_ change. believing in the level-headedness of idiots around you _will_ get you killed. i broke my back on a stationary motorcycle while following all the traffic rules to a t, just because a lady behind me "panicked" and "couldn't" hit the brakes on time before she rammed into me at a red light. i wouldn't be here today if i didn't have a helmet on, and all of that because a dumb *** forgot to take her blood pressure medication that day. and it's frustrating because i can genuinely understand and relate to forgetting to do the very important but extremely forgettable **** that you're supposed to do, and i can't fully fault her for something that could have happened to anyone of us, really. so at the end of the day, it wasn't really anyone's fault, and i just happened to end up with a broken back. **** changed my entire outlook on life, now i take every opportunity to shoe-horn my experience into literally anywhere, including but not limited to interaction fiction forums. don't wait around for a sign, take my word, please.
 

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we've lived fairly different lives, that much i can tell from your responses this far. i never said what you proposed was wrong, i only pointed out how it was puerile at worst and potentially dangerous at best. and i only said the not living long enough part because you essentially said we should "talk it out" and somehow tried to paint buying a vest as an illogical response to literal gun related violence. wasn't anything personal nor me wishing you an early death, i just found what you said to be dumb as **** and in line with what i would expect to hear from someone living in a first world country trying to solve problems that have plagued humanity for centuries with kind words and common sense because common sense is so common after all, right?

>You're so right! We should strive to change ourselves to adapt to harmful environments rather than try to make the environments better. Why try to reduce gun crime when you have the money to buy a bullet proof vest instead? Clearly everyone else will be able to do the same and we can keep the same status quo for ourselves and our children rather than trying to actually make their lives better.

>But I don't wanna start an argument and get mods mad at me

beckpeddaling like crazyyy. **** the mods, as far as the both of us are concerned. neither of us post content and both of us could make new accounts to continue pirating on this site with no ramifications whatsoever. don't try to stand the moral highground after saying allat.

my point was simple and largely inoffensive, really. all i said was that it's better to change/improve what you can; rather than to wait on the world to change, even when you're objectively right and the world _should_ change. believing in the level-headedness of idiots around you _will_ get you killed. i broke my back on a stationary motorcycle while following all the traffic rules to a t, just because a lady behind me "panicked" and "couldn't" hit the brakes on time before she rammed into me at a red light. i wouldn't be here today if i didn't have a helmet on, and all of that because a dumb *** forgot to take her blood pressure medication that day. and it's frustrating because i can genuinely understand and relate to forgetting to do the very important but extremely forgettable **** that you're supposed to do, and i can't fully fault her for something that could have happened to anyone of us, really. so at the end of the day, it wasn't really anyone's fault, and i just happened to end up with a broken back. **** changed my entire outlook on life, now i take every opportunity to shoe-horn my experience into literally anywhere, including but not limited to interaction fiction forums. don't wait around for a sign, take my word, please.
Buying a bullet proof vest is an entirely illogical response to gun violence though. Unless you live in the kind of very rare situation of an active civil war it is an entirely unreasonable and irrational thing to do, to buy one and wear it around all the time in the expectation of that one in a million or likely even much lower chance of needing it in your day to day. It should not paint me as some kind of naive privileged person to say we should actually try to address the root causes of an issue, nor have I once said that talking it out is the solution. Merely that we will never get to any kind of solution to these deep-set problems without talk and consideration on some level. I don't believe everyone around me is level-headed, I personally expect to die via execution or mob at the way things seem to be going in the current socio political climate if we don't veer out from the spiral we are heading into, but some people are and we need to be able to talk and discuss issues to hope to actually address them rather than just ignoring them or saying that it's a personal failing for being bothered by them. And personally I see people getting more jaded and more uncaring, repressing the part of themselves or getting rid of their anger or outrage because no one cares or because it doesn't matter, the world won't change, as an absolutely abhorrent idea

My statement was solely in response to this idea that people should stop raising a fuss and get a thicker skin, only caring about themselves. That we need to be able to talk and discuss solutions, not because talk is the solution, but because solutions are derived from ideas and impeding the exchange of them and the information of these issues at all only adds fuel to the fire. I don't know what I said there that could lead to the things you feel I said that were objectionable. And my comment about the mods is because I don't know at what degree of separation to the topic is acceptable for this discourse. I felt entirely justified in responding to someone responding to an author's post, however as you get further from that things begin to be shaky. Maybe you don't care, and that is your right, but I do actually care and don't want to make more work for another human being if I can help it. You can see me however you want, but please don't pretend that my statement was that if only we can talk everything would be magically solved.
 
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