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[wildberriev]

Not trying to be offensive here but those people that criticise her also got a point. X is reluctant to sleep with MC (someone she knows well for a short time) and basically discarded MC to sleep with a stranger (farmer's son or daughter if I remember correctly) that they just met like last afternoon.

As a player I could understand the frustration. However as an author, I know she planned X as a char that sleeps around, and I think it should be handled better rather than belittled her readers.

its okay honestly!! im also with those people that were disappointed, i just wanted to stay neutral?? kinda. what i didn't like the most was the fact how she handled this situation. i understand this is her game, her idea, and her concept but calling people stupid only because she sees this scene differently is too much. people tried to explain why they felt that way and she was like "that's a coping mechanism and you guys are weird for thinking otherwise and besides they have known each other for a month (??) and they are not in a relationship. grow up". its not even about the whole scene because as i said, it's her story and she can write what she wants, but it is the lack of communication between her and her audience

 

[Raijin_01]

if X still hasn't shown any character development up until now (chapter 11)

I've lost my faith in that game lol.

 

[wildberriev]

I have... opinions on AToC. It feels like the author has a very rigid vision of how the game should be, and isn't taking kindly to ideas that diverge from it. Example: high and low romance routes. That depend on picking the dialogue options that the author considers to be "correct". And none of this is explained in the game itself.
So you either think like the author or suffer.

yeah, i think that the biggest problem here is that nothing is really explained. maybe some indicators would be a nice addition or something???
also, better character introductions would help for example: this is X, they are a mercenary and actually have a really bad coping mechanism which is sleeping around with people
i guess that would clear some misunderstandings that people might have
on the other hand, i also understand her. no one likes to be criticized, especially their work, but i think that as an author you should be able to handle some constructive criticism thrown your way and don't get offended. some people actually try to help authors be better at what they do and help them improve so idk

 

[seneya]

i understand this is her game, her idea, and her concept but calling people stupid only because she sees this scene differently is too much.

no one likes to be criticized, especially their work, but i think that as an author you should be able to handle some constructive criticism thrown your way and don't get offended.

Other authors do this too, tbf. Ex: the Infamous author not understanding why people complain about the MC feeling like a loser, insisting they are not.
When you are the author and have a certain vision, it can be very difficult to look at your writing from aside. I, personally, need smth like... several weeks of not looking at my text to be able to look at it with fresh eyes, and mamma mia, can the change in perception be a total wtf moment. But that's what the public feedback is for. To see how others perceive your text. Being dismissive of such feedback seems... wasteful.

 

[overtak3]

its okay honestly!! im also with those people that were disappointed, i just wanted to stay neutral?? kinda. what i didn't like the most was the fact how she handled this situation. i understand this is her game, her idea, and her concept but calling people stupid only because she sees this scene differently is too much. people tried to explain why they felt that way and she was like "that's a coping mechanism and you guys are weird for thinking otherwise and besides they have known each other for a month (??) and they are not in a relationship. grow up". its not even about the whole scene because as i said, it's her story and she can write what she wants, but it is the lack of communication between her and her audience

i remember following her on tumblr during this whole debacle and being very ??? about the whole thing. i would have understood it if the comments on that scene were particularly mean or something (perhaps she simply decided to not post them, but having followed her for a bit she's not shy about posting criticism like that and shutting it down), but they mostly just seemed like observations and comments on the scene, which doesn't seem like something you should dismiss out of hand as an author.

honestly, it's a shame, i really, really do enjoy ATOC but the lack of transparency from the author and, to be honest, the animosity that she seems to have for some parts of her readers do turn me off from it

 

[Mjölna]

I haven't kept up with this game in a long while, but I remember back when people were asking for even something as innocuous as the ability to set the characters' genders instead of it being randomized (as it remains till this day, to my knowledge). And the author was kinda snippy about it for seemingly no reason. So yeah, can't really say I'm surprised by any pigheadedness on her part

 

[wildberriev]

Other authors do this too, tbf. Ex: the Infamous author not understanding why people complain about the MC feeling like a loser, insisting they are not.

i would have to disagree with you on that one.
authors usually give you the freedom to build your own character: facial features, hair, height, but also personality. ofc some of the authors have personality set or semi set MC, but overall you have the freedom to create whatever character you want (with obvious limitations being the choices that the authors write). i don't think that my MC is a loser. why would i think that?? its me who makes he choices and im not a loser (or i would like to think that). besides, the story has only 3 chapters, what character development could you want? the whole purpose of the story is to be on a show, possibly win, and have relationships either platonic or romantic. i dont blame amy for shutting it down because its YOU who makes the MC XD you are the player, she only writes the story. she gives you tools to choose your own destiny, but its you who plays the game. i don't really get why people think the MC is a loser. because 7 left??? because everyone makes MC do stuff they don't want?? (example: when mc and victoria went to see g and the whole ordeal after with the photos and g being cut off of it), everyone in this story is after MC bc, wow, surprise, they're the main character XD and those scandals are there because MC interacts with the cast. how else would you want this to go?
besides a tale of crowns situation with X and amys situation with MC is a completely different thing bc as i said YOU create your own MCs by choices and X is already made with preset personality

 

[seneya]

i would have to disagree with you on that one.
authors usually give you the freedom to build your own character: facial features, hair, height, but also personality. ofc some of the authors have personality set or semi set MC, but overall you have the freedom to create whatever character you want (with obvious limitations being the choices that the authors write). i don't think that my MC is a loser. why would i think that?? its me who makes he choices and im not a loser (or i would like to think that). besides, the story has only 3 chapters, what character development could you want? the whole purpose of the story is to be on a show, possibly win, and have relationships either platonic or romantic. i dont blame amy for shutting it down because its YOU who makes the MC XD you are the player, she only writes the story. she gives you tools to choose your own destiny, but its you who plays the game. i don't really get why people think the MC is a loser. because 7 left??? because everyone makes MC do stuff they don't want?? (example: when mc and victoria went to see g and the whole ordeal after with the photos and g being cut off of it), everyone in this story is after MC bc, wow, surprise, they're the main character XD and those scandals are there because MC interacts with the cast. how else would you want this to go?
besides a tale of crowns situation with X and amys situation with MC is a completely different thing bc as i said YOU create your own MCs by choices and X is already made with preset personality

I personally feel there's a bit of a rift between what's said and what's shown re: MC and it has nothing to do with 7 leaving. Consider that MC is supposed to be talented, yes? Well, they and their band wouldn't have gotten on the show without outside help, so how talented can they be really? Seven and their band did, btw, and even became fan-favorites. So who's better off alone/actually talented, huh?
That's because the whole "outside help" plot point is needed to create the drama.
So there might be legit reasons for people to feel that way.
But mostly I was making an observation regarding cases where authors see one thing and fans another, not trying to equal them or argue for anything.

 

[Badasswithabigheart]

Let's keep things light here,guys. If the comment exchange is getting heated,try to tone it down coz this thread belongs to hillise not me.
-Del.

 

[Hackett Thrail]

We're back bois

 

[Hyperion]

We're back bois

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Hey, do you know where this updated demo ends?

 

[Badasswithabigheart]

Hey, do you know where this updated demo ends?

Summoning @Hackett Thrail

 

[Parallax]

Inni autorzy też tak robią, szczerze mówiąc. Np.: autor Infaous nie rozumie, dlaczego ludzie narzekają, że główny bohater czuje się jak przegrany, i upiera się, że tak nie jest.
Kiedy jesteś autorem i masz pewną wizję, może być bardzo trudno spojrzeć na swoje pisanie z boku. Ja osobiście potrzebuję czegoś takiego jak... kilka tygodni niepatrzenia na mój tekst, aby móc spojrzeć na niego świeżym okiem, i mamma mia, czy zmiana w postrzeganiu może być całkowitym momentem wtf. Ale właśnie po to jest opinia publiczna. Aby zobaczyć, jak inni postrzegają twój tekst. Lekceważenie takiej opinii wydaje się... marnotrawstwem.

Omgh. The piracy website has the most reasonable reviews and comments about IF games xDD

 

[seneya]

Omgh. The piracy website has the most reasonable reviews and comments about IF games xDD

lol. More freedom to express Opinions on here. Less chances to be unalived by dedicated fans, too.
As someone who is writing my own IF, I have a more analytic approach to stories, so maybe that's why it comes off as reasonable.

 

[Hackett Thrail]

Summoning @Hackett Thrail

And summoned I am lmao

Hey, do you know where this updated demo ends?

It ends pretty much where the alpha does, after the attempted kidnapping town with that nerd Vul and the flashbacks where we're forced to kill someone we know.

 

[innocencelost]

I personally feel there's a bit of a rift between what's said and what's shown re: MC and it has nothing to do with 7 leaving. Consider that MC is supposed to be talented, yes? Well, they and their band wouldn't have gotten on the show without outside help, so how talented can they be really? Seven and their band did, btw, and even became fan-favorites. So who's better off alone/actually talented, huh?
That's because the whole "outside help" plot point is needed to create the drama.
So there might be legit reasons for people to feel that way.
But mostly I was making an observation regarding cases where authors see one thing and fans another, not trying to equal them or argue for anything.

be aware of saying anything about infamous... the fans will jump at you xD

 

[eyesonme]

be aware of saying anything about infamous... the fans will jump at you xD

Lol that's an irresistible cue for me to jump in

In general - not just with IF, or even just with people writing fiction at all - I think people have the tendency to conflate listening to someone's feedback about something you're doing and not agreeing with simply not listening at all. You (general you) can totally just agree to disagree about what someone thinks you should do with your book/movie/romantic relationship/children/whatever and still respect and appreciate the person's opinion. I think it's clear Amy just doesn't agree with the criticism, and that's fine.
(Personally I don't get the MC is a loser allegations myself, at least not about anything BotB related. Sometimes stuff like the mother's day special makes me raise an eyebrow and go "wait, do you guys not have a place where you periodically perform??" But trying to pinpoint the level of success and fame the band should be at stresses me out so I always stop myself, lol)

 

[seneya]

I think it's clear Amy just doesn't agree with the criticism, and that's fine.

I find it interesting how some authors are blamed for sticking to their vision, while others are applauded for that.
Please don't misunderstand, I don't have anything against Infamous (so there's no need to unalive me). I just enjoy analyzing stuff. From my POV, if many people talk about smth you don't see in your own writing, it might hint at internal consistency issues. Buuut I'm not invested into it enough to argue about that, esp re: a popular IF like Infamous. I want to live lol

 

[Badasswithabigheart]

new VN demo here, https://ravenstar-games.itch.io/lost-in-limbo

 

[overtak3]

Oh don't worry, I don't think you were saying that at all. It was meant as a general comment because this discussion made me think about how an audience can view a work vs how the author views it. No debonings from me today lmao, I also think it's fun to look at what's received well and what isn't.

I can't comment too much on AtoC because I've only done A's route and I thought it was fine (very annoying how there's no back button since its doing the whole otome VN "only one way is the right way" deal though), but I'll spitball a little while I'm here, why not lol. I think part of the disconnect might be in part because as readers of a WIP, watching it develop little by little, it can feel like the pacing is slower than it is And we might not feel that way if we had access to the whole thing and read it at once. And of course the author knows how it'll all unfold, so they could be looking at it going "but xyz is going to happen after abc! It'll all work out!", totally disagreeing. (To circle back to my Infamous brainrot (sorry!), I think that's part of the backlash, besides overhype. I was reading some comments on the reddit when c3 came out and saw people complaining about Seven's route not having much progress so far, but... it's only been a week since you've been forced to see each other all the time again! The teeny amount of dethawing so far makes sense imo.)

Personally with A's AtoC route I thought the pacing was fine, but I might be weird tbh. I'm a romance fan but a lot of the time the accelerated pacing where people are in love after a month max can be suspension of disbelief breaking so I'm chill about taking things slow. Of course this can also lead to fumbling the end and they have to rush the end, which is also bad and is even worse feeling when its a WIP you were following. Maybe we all just need to quit WIPs, lol

sorry for all the rambling

ive done all AtoC routes (and also played chap 3 of infamous lol) and i agree with you on the pacing points. i almost find it unrealistic whenever an IF, or i guess any romance story, has all characters immediately fawning over and falling in love with the MC in very little time (unless falling hard and fast is specifically their personality, i guess ?).

infamous and AtoC deal with romance development in different ways (e.g, when considering something like the 7 route, they're someone the MC has a lot of history, whether romantic or not, whereas all AtoC characters are strangers to the MC at first, that's going to have a repercusion in how you go about writing the romance), but i find both to be good. mostly because both authors are good at writing character interactions, in different ways. of course, pacing will feel slower than it actually is when you're only getting a small section of the whole story at the time, so yeah, maybe we should all just stop complaining and quit WIPs lmao