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Stories that left you disappointed for a reason
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Pretty much this.
Wayfarer has its fair share of romance asks but a lot of the questions surround the actual story, because there is an actual plot. A lot of if not most IFs are pretty much picture-less dating sims with little substance. Not the literary gold that the writers think they're writing.
transphobia
Im probably gonna get a lot of hate for this but pronouns and non binary characters or anthing along those lines ruin my immersion in games. See these of type of 'concepts' are only relevant in specific countries and even then there's a lot of controversy surrounding it. Im from a country like majority of others where random pronouns and 'non binary' is not a norm and rightly so. Everytime i come across a 'they/them' character, it breaks my immersion immensly and outright ruins my experience. In somecases i never read those stories again. And I could never figure out the gender of the character either. The authors barely gives a description on such characters and I could never know whether the character is male or female and hence could never picture them. Normally i steer away from stories that do this but there are some i read despite that but struggle to maintain the hype even when it has good writing. One big example is 'The Exile', the writing and premise was good and intrigued me but the moment I hear a character being called as they or them, I cringe internally. Despite that i managed to finish the demo since i liked how the game was written. I dont know whether you guys are tolerant of talks like this, if not then mods can feel free to remove my comment.
Another Tumblr hell tea. So glad to not be active on that site anymore lol. But it's fun to see stuff from time to time and haunted's posts are especially satisfying. https://www.tumblr.com/circuseyesof...this-doesnt-come-off-wrong-but-i?source=share
Props to the author of Time Fall though for taking it in stride, even if yea she's three IFs that are still stuck on prologue (which is a shame cause her stories hits all the right spots for me)
Props to the author of Time Fall though for taking it in stride, even if yea she's three IFs that are still stuck on prologue (which is a shame cause her stories hits all the right spots for me)
Worry not my friend, this is piracy site. Freedom of speech is guaranteed even if it's a horrible truth.
My message has been tagged as 'transphobia' despite me not talking about trans people. What I said is my genuine thought tho. Nothing i said came from a hateful place. Its unfortunate people are labelled things as soon as they talk against or even about such concepts. Its hardly free speech when this happens, adding words into peoples minds before they decide to think for themselves.
These words don't mean much of anything really, like how the words 'grifter' or 'woke' and all those funky labels don't mean **** no more. They're just convenient tool to censor people with differing opinions and perspectives
Eh, and also I guess non-binaries are considered transgender for some reason... (that could be why your comment is tagged as transphobia) even if the concept of transgender cancels out the meaning of non-binary which is the choice of not identifying with gender at all (to my knowledge). While transgender means the choice of changing one's previous gender to the opposite gender. Far as I gather non-binary refuse the concept of gender... right? Whatever the more I think about this the more I wanna pull my hair out.
well duh dude. u r literally denying the existence of a grp of ppl. the only valid piece of criticism in ur comment is about the random pronouns. that shits confusing. the genderless-or-whatever-the-**** pronoun should be limited to they/them
You don't find 'they/them' confusing? I swear I stopped several times to actually figure out what was being said in IFs which use them. It's even more confusing just for the fact they are actual words used in everyday life. I used both 'they' and 'them' in my previous sentences but it actually has a meaning. Imagine seeing multiple "they's" in a single sentence. You might even be confused if I didn't use quotations for specific "they's" and "them's".
As far as i know, Cis and Trans are words I learned in school during my Organic Chemistry classes. Cis means functional groups are bonded in the same side between two isomeres and trans means functional groups on opposite sides. Even in this case there are only two 'sides' which is swapped. In the context of non binary people, trans has no context especially since they claim to be outside gender norms which has two genders. Ofc people will justify it saying gender and *** are different when they are not.These words don't mean much of anything really, like how the words 'grifter' or 'woke' and all those funky labels don't mean **** no more. They're just convenient tool to censor people with differing opinions and perspectives
Eh, and also I guess non-binaries are considered transgender for some reason... (that could be why your comment is tagged as transphobia) even if the concept of transgender cancels out the meaning of non-binary which is the choice of not identifying with gender at all (to my knowledge). While transgender means the choice of changing one's previous gender to the opposite gender. Far as I gather non-binary refuse the concept of gender... right? Whatever the more I think about this the more I wanna pull my hair out.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but idc. Can we stop the non-binary discussion before it turns into a several pages discourse on trans and queer people or just call outs to stories trying their best to just be inclusive to other people? Like I understand not getting in and being confused by it but at the end of the day non-binary people do exist and mostly play these IF's because they get to be included for once, let's get back on topic and complain about infamous or whatever.
When we use the word transgender, we are referring to an inclusive umbrella term that consists of binary trans people (trans men and trans women), as well as non-binary people and people who cross dress. Transgender doesn't only mean switching genders, the term just means not associating with your birth gender.These words don't mean much of anything really, like how the words 'grifter' or 'woke' and all those funky labels don't mean **** no more. They're just convenient tool to censor people with differing opinions and perspectives
Eh, and also I guess non-binaries are considered transgender for some reason... (that could be why your comment is tagged as transphobia) even if the concept of transgender cancels out the meaning of non-binary which is the choice of not identifying with gender at all (to my knowledge). While transgender means the choice of changing one's previous gender to the opposite gender. Far as I gather non-binary refuse the concept of gender... right? Whatever the more I think about this the more I wanna pull my hair out.
It's not really all that confusing. Even outside the context of trans/nonbinary communities and just going by English grammar rules; singular they has been an accepted part of the lexicon for decades now (fun fact: earliest known use of singular they was in the 1375 poem William and the Werewolf). The communities just adopted the use (since outside them it's mainly used when gender is unknown) of the singular they because it's a neutral way to refer to another person.
Honestly, I find authors attempting to showcase genderfluidity in text a lot more confusing in comparison since a few of the ones I've seen will have characters change pronouns mid-sentence which always throws me off and out of the story each and every time.
Now... back to the topic on hand. For stories that've disappointed me recently... I have to say I'm very disappointed in When Twilight Strikes. It had an interesting premise but it falls rather flat; the mystery of your missing boss (up to ch. 10 at least) has zero leads with the characters only coming together to say they continue to know nothing of actual substance. Also the only notable lead in 10 chapters only being the vampire nightclub that was there just to have vampire lady tell you abso-****ing-lutely nothing and the RO-centric scenes being nothing more than uninteresting filler. Even the "clues" you find within the club went nowhere lol. Being stabbed was probably the only interesting thing in that section as short-lived as it was.
The argument between the characters in chapter 10 also felt contrived and unnecessary because of this - especially considering the character who incited the argument (K) threw a hissy fit about them arguing??? I dunno honestly, it's just one big nothing-burger where the only impressive thing is how the author has gone 10+ chapters of not progressing anything.
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Lol yeah, I feel like we still in chapter 3 by the way of the story progress. Half of them is just bunch of character arguing or moping despite how 'urgent' the missing boss case is.
This is supposed to be a team of trained agent ffs. Albeit they are not a detective, they are supposed to be written as a person who used to dealing with supernatural cases. Like, It's impossible to not have other contact that can maybe help with the case at all. They all act clueless and hopeless like bro, used your 'supposed trained supernatural experience' to deal with it. Or maybe investigate the boss home, like? Do something.
A matter of creativity
There was a WIP prologue + 1 chapter that really interested me and I was able to come up with hundreds of questions that the author gladly answered. I asked about MC's role, their potential skills, the government, society, the aesthetics of the city, small things that interested me in the prologue and which the author was ready to spoiler ; ) I asked about ROs sometimes too, but none of them were from "How ROs would react if MC..." category.
Although I have to admit that when it comes to PressPlay and other WIPs that are happening in 'our world' it may be a little harder.
Yes, if it’s in our world, we cant ask many questions with only one chapter. There aren’t many world building questions to ask and they don’t usually answer about past or future events. So you can only ask about the characters. I am saying this and I don’t like most of the questions they ask about ros, I don’t see the point and would prefer the author spent more time writing the story instead of answering ask about very specific scenarios with the ros.A matter of creativity
I asked about ROs sometimes too, but none of them were from "How ROs would react if MC..." category.
Although I have to admit that when it comes to PressPlay and other WIPs that are happening in 'our world' it may be a little harder.
I do get your point the struggles can be when your making maybe modern day IF it's hard to have more story questions when it's set in a decade you already know? Like most other IF have their own fictional world so you can ask more questions. So I can appreciate the difficulty of that.A matter of creativity
I asked about ROs sometimes too, but none of them were from "How ROs would react if MC..." category.
Although I have to admit that when it comes to PressPlay and other WIPs that are happening in 'our world' it may be a little harder.
Ok, despite being enby myself. I kinda agree with this. A lot of the time, it's just added because it's 'inclusive' and it has no real effect on anything. It's a minor pet peeve of mine seeing stuff like it/its and xir/xirselves in an IF story ngl especially historical/ historical fantasy ones. It's the biggest flag that the writer is a white American tumblrite and I should lower my expectations. It's definitely immersion braking. Also, the writing is often just cringe. Many of the time, non-binary and trans characters have personalities the equivalent of a wet paper bag and character development that matches. Or they're obviously written as male/female, but the author can't just write a story without needing to add 'diversity' or else they'll probably die or something. The writing is often so clunky as well. "I'm (insert name here) and my pronouns are xir/xim." No one talks like this in real life. Only in online spaces. Most times pronouns are a fyi situation. Most enbies present as their assigned gender at birth, so calling them as such isn't a huge problem, unless you continue to do so after being told otherwise. Same with most non-passing trans people. It's also a no-no in writing. Show, don't tell. I don't need to know that the character is trans as soon as I meet them. Weave it into your writing and descriptions and let the readers figure it out themselves or ignore it as they wish for their own immersion, not force your morality down other's throats.
Often goes hand in hand with having 'options' for being black/having a black character but all the other customization options are super geared towards a white character. I have brown hair and picking brown hair colour options on IF often gets a character described as having light or chestnut brown hair. It's dumb, a waste and the writer is better off writing what they know instead of trying to be inclusive and writing something awful.
Honestly, most IF characters that are created for diversity sake always have the exact same stereotypes.
The trans character - Always trans fem and never trans masc. If included, they're always an RO or the character's best friend. Always got top/bottom surgery and perfectly passes, never just starting transition or crossdressing. They never cracked their egg later in life, instead they've always known they were trans since they were five years old. Everyone treats them the same way they treat anyone else, there's no conflict. If there is conflict, then the person who has the problem is always an antagonist and a giant bigot who needs to be defeated with the power of
The Enby character- Always a woman because non-binary people are just women lite. If the character isn't written to be female, then they would have 0 physical description because bodies are transphobic. Would always be seen wearing non-conforming clothing, never something that is conforming for their time/era. Always uses they/them, never he/they or she/they, someone who prefers gender-neutral forms of title or even just lacking pronouns. Gender = chaos, always quirky and never grounded. Always talks like someone thermally online. Also never allowed to be the A-hole or antagonist for long.
The Black character- Somehow always from a poor or lower middle family. Rarely rich. If a woman, they're a ghetto-lite, if male, then they're a charmer straight out of a Tyler Perry movie about players. That's if the writer doesn't write a white person with different features. Rarely the smart kid, if quirky expect them to be enby or lesbian (quirky and silly black guys don't exist). Always into hip-pop and urban culture. Honestly, it's just your standard black character you find in movies but with an LGBT label slapped on them so it's different somehow.
The Asian character - Same with black folks that it's the same standard trash but with labels slapped on it. Always Japanese or Koren, if Chinese, expect them to be a second generation immigrant with a super Americanized name.
The Gay - The effeminate if male or butch if female gay best friend who is always there with sass and advice. Never romanceable as the same gender. Always fashionable and well put together and never a mess. If written to be an A-hole, it's always a mean lesbian, and never expect it to make sense or to stick past the first few romance scenes before she becomes a tsundere who's slightly bitchy to everyone except her girlfriend (usually the female MC).
The Ace- Just exists. Always ***-avoidant and hates kissing or any sort of intimacy instead of just not caring for or wanting it on a personal level. If not an RO, they're also aromantic and not attracted to anybody outside of friendships. If they're a RO, expect this route to the worst written route with 0 chemistry whatsoever. At least the others have some sort of personality, these characters are just there, often as cheerleaders for the main couple.