This is major reason on why I dislike this IF. All the characters are either A bland as hell B Assholes C being an enabler to Assholes or D just inconsistent. You're telling me that the king love his wife so much that he killed an royal family on hearsay that their daughter might have killed your spouse traumatised and married an innocent child who doesn't even know what the hell is happening and then just a couple of years later you're suddenly in budding romance with your knight and your supposed to just be okay with it??? Like wtf man I thought this would be slow-burning revenge if in which you would patiently try to topple the king but nope gay romance comdey between king and knight. Also the game say that no one cares that your whole family is killed and that Lucien the king is universally beloved? I'm sorry but that's not the reaction that occurs when you kill every one except for a child of family that rules over an entire ****ing kingdom. And even without it being royalty you're telling me nobody with a brain realize how unstable the king is that on just some unproven claims he waged a war murdered a royal family and married an underage kid and absolutely no one cares ? My biggest gripe is that if you think about the plot it's flimsier then cardboard and has more holes then Swiss cheese which can be maybe forgiven if the characters are charming. Spoiler they are not. Most of them are ******* who take their unjustified rage on a innocent child or boring as lightly toasted white bread.
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Speaking of, is it ever explained why the MC's family was seemingly so disliked that people are happy they're gone/don't care? Maybe I missed something, idk.
It's kind of like the opposite of Arcadie, where I couldn't understand why would anyone want to defend the MC's warmongering family.
Also a pet peeve, but it's kinda odd how the game seems to push you into this snarky relationship with Luceris. Like, it would've made more sense if the author had the gall to make him an RO, but it's supposed to be a revenge story. Why are we trading barbs again?
Maybe there's a reason on why they're unpopular but its still ridiculous that no one cares if not from an moral point of view think about the ramifications. The obviously unstable king has just killed nearly all the royal family of an Kingdom who literally have a connection with mythology due to their eyes being linked to the gods and is ruling over two kingdoms how can the other kingdoms be sure that he doesn't want to complete the set and conquer the others as well? Even if he doesn't want to th threat is still there.
Again it makes no sense I mean if he truly hated us since we are a reminder of our sister he should have either killed us which honestly would have been a more merciful path or just exile us to a distant area with guards to watch over us but instead he married the MC a child who had no clue on what was happening and forced us to be in close proximity with him for what his amusement? That's not funny or amusing that is genuinely a monstrous and horrifying act in that you're forcing a young child to be near their family's murderer every day for how many years ? The author messed up in that they made Luciens personality amusing but his action are hilariously too evil and now we the readers are feeling the dissonance.
I can just imagine them staring at their door, holding their breath every time they hear footsteps as their heart skips as someone might be coming to take them to him. Such experiences can break people...
But at least let the MC hate everyone properly, man.
Though I think the reason we're not allowed to act out too much is because if the MC was a real menace, there would've been no reason for Luceris to keep them around. It would've simply been more trouble than it's worth.
Reading all this makes me even more mad for such a stupid and trigger inducing story premise. I'd argue it's even worse than SOH4 lol. What a mess. Idk what goes on through the authors head. Surely there must be people who expressed displeasure towards this? Wonder what they responded to that.
Probably "don't like, don't read" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It could work, but this kind of premise (and trauma) needs to be taken seriously, rather than something that's just there to make the story "dark" and "edgy". It would've been fine as a psychological horror with romance as a far afterthought, methinks, but we all know that's not what sells, so.
The author should know that this kind of story needs compromises. You keep hitting the MC left and right and expect the reader to follow you to the end? There should be more moments like burning the late Queens room and it should have more of an impact. It feels like the author is mocking the MC for being traumatized and rageful.
The romances is so one dimensional. The dialogue options with how the ROs respond to the MC, nothing seems to indicate the MC is a victim or even reflect MCs state of mind which is most probably filled with hate.
Genuinely I can't think of any character that I actually like with the most annoying one being lancelot the knight. I'm so so irritated with him not anger not hatred just exasperated with him. My man your unstable ***** *** boyfriend just desposed my family burned my brother alive and married me out of a sick sense of humour and torments me just for fun and you want to parent me out of some misguided sense of guilt ? Just do your romance with him and leave me alone. No but seriously just because someone feels guilty doesn't mean that they're good or innocent lancelot is an enabler to luciens madness out of some sense of love he knows its wrong does it anyway and feels guilty hes not helping the mc because its morally correct he's doing to assuage himself of the guilt. And we're supposed to forgive him and have an parental connection with him? He's genuinely a hypocritical loser
Last I read, the MC was visiting their home and probably governing things there or something? I don't really remember much. If I have a brain, I'd start the revenge arc here. That is if the author doesn't wish to torment the MC and the readers even more. The Author's masochism has already gone one chapter too many.
I dont think the author fully realised how messed up what Lucien did and there's a dissonance between what hes done and how hes treated. And there's also the reason that I think most of the ros are not compatible with the revenge route. One of themselves an soldier in his army another his son and a another one is the bodyguard of the son and is on their payroll. Fadiya is too nice and will probably not support your revenge plan. The only one I think who would even fully support you is the green haired friend and even that's murky since Lucien is the father of her childhood friend.
It is very clear that the author has never experienced the terror they describe. Some things are unforgivable however much time passes. While they keep on with the sympathy for the devil.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts. The story is frustrating because the author clearly doesn't know how to write trauma well. I prefer playing a more people pleasing and internalizing way to cope rather than destructive rage and playing that way is terrible to say the least. I don't hate wanna-be Dad because I played an MC to attached themselves to any lingering warmth and has an almost Stockholm type relationship with everything so they don't want revenge (but they do want answers about what really happened). However, the writing basically forces you to pissed and angry and destructive but has 0 consequences for actually taking that route. The most recent update made me drop it when the author added shitty relationship drama just to make things worse.
Honestly, the biggest fix for this story is to make it that our sister did kill the Queen instead of the vague murder mystery that the author wants to write. King would still be a bastard but the underlying theme of the cycle of hurt and revenge would be so much clearer instead of whatever is currently going on RN.
I think even the author is not sure where they want to take the story. Either make it a proper revenge story or let the MC escape their imprisonment or be groomed by the king and his disciples. The story has to branch somewhere. The author seems to write according to their mood ig. Sometimes you are railroaded into bantering with the king, or be angry for being a captive (which is very less mind you) or just make friends and find love while completely forgetting about your family's fate.
The MC’s role in everything often feels passive, like they’re just being dragged along instead of actually influencing events. There’s so much potential for a deep, complex story about power, survival, and revenge, but the game keeps getting distracted with forced drama instead of focusing on what actually matters.
Right now, it feels like the story is just making things up as it goes, and that’s why it doesn’t hit as hard as it could.
it’s messy, and unless it gets some serious rewrites, it’s going to stay that way
Yeah it's a major fault of the story that the plot of the if has no structure it shifts its tone randomly and worst of all it was just boring to read. Say what you want about SoH4 being controversial and railroaded it had a consistent plot and I didn't feel like a slog to play for all its faults it was at least entertaining to play through the same can't be said for Crown of Ashes and Flames
Honestly I find the premise of being forced into a married, official relationship a bit skin crawling, but I still tried to play this game regardless. The way the protagonist felt to be lacking so much in terms of grudge and there being so many 'forget it all and move on' options honestly irked me a lot. Buddy, there wasn't any misunderstanding, or any other nuanced bs, the king murdered your entire family, your father, mother, twin brother who you loved the most, plus your elder brother.
It was honestly iffy how little thoughts of the protagonist seemed to be dedicated behind his family and their deaths. Also, the inaction, damn, I played through a chunk of it and the lack of initiative on the part of the protagonist, except some petty little things that were treated as such and you were made to feel ridiculous for doing them, there wasn't much in terms of progress in any sort of revenge plan.
Also how the author tries to force you into a snarky-a** relationship with the king is nauseating. 'Little bird' he called the protagonist. Ew. If the author tried to sell the king as a nuanced character, she has failed miserably. There wasn't much to even compromise about in the first place, I mean, he's the guy who murdered your entire loving happy family for someone that was not even part of your family.
The protagonist is utterly underdeveloped, hell, unless you head cannon the protagonist to be a submissive little joke, he doesn't even work as a protagonist.
It felt like a complete waste of time really.
It was honestly iffy how little thoughts of the protagonist seemed to be dedicated behind his family and their deaths. Also, the inaction, damn, I played through a chunk of it and the lack of initiative on the part of the protagonist, except some petty little things that were treated as such and you were made to feel ridiculous for doing them, there wasn't much in terms of progress in any sort of revenge plan.
Also how the author tries to force you into a snarky-a** relationship with the king is nauseating. 'Little bird' he called the protagonist. Ew. If the author tried to sell the king as a nuanced character, she has failed miserably. There wasn't much to even compromise about in the first place, I mean, he's the guy who murdered your entire loving happy family for someone that was not even part of your family.
The protagonist is utterly underdeveloped, hell, unless you head cannon the protagonist to be a submissive little joke, he doesn't even work as a protagonist.
It felt like a complete waste of time really.
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My next gripe would be about Superstition. On my playthrough of it, I tried to play as an average joe who has no belief in anything superstitious. Someone who does not find a person with foul mouth really likable. First season of it was.....not memorable. I remember that the protagonist's uncle dies in it and he goes on a journey with Sydero.
Season 2 is the one I have actual problems with. The protagonist's party makes so many dumb, infantile mistakes that.....I honestly thought they weren't making mistakes, rather it was part of some grand scheme. Also, the world itself of the superstitions doesn't make any sense.
Here's a bit of what happened in s2. It'll probably not be entire accurate as it's been sometimes since I read it, but here it goes.
Sydero needed a bowl for completing a spell(divination iirc). Antagonist A had the bowl.
Bradley, the tech guy tracked down the bowl in an antique shop. Why did the bowl go from antagonist A's hand to an antique shop? The antagonist needed money, or maybe he lost it for some reason.
Okay, a bit of a shaky hypothesis, but regardless this isn't that dumb.
So protagonist and Sydero decide to cooperate in order to get that bowl.
Surprise, surprise! It was a trap by the antagonist A all along! Our glorious protagonist and Sydero flees the scene extremely desperately.
Next, Bradley tracks down the same bowl, in a museum. How exactly did it reach museum? Wanna know what was our protagonist's hypothesis?
The antagonist decided to donate it to the museum................... Yeah. And believe me when I say this, it wasn't a trap at all! Protagonist found out it wasn't an obvious trap, got the bowl, won the fight, ban*ed Sydero, and lived happily ever after.
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Next would be how hilariously horrible the protagonist acted towards Bradley after the kid went through physical torture for 2 days straight.
A week after Bradley got tortured, he had nightmares, he cried a lot, he felt scared. So our protagonist decided to talk to him. And within that conversation, without any agency of the player's, the protagonist said 'You aren't the only one with trauma, kid'. That was just.......yeah. Even I'm not that bad. I dismiss most of the claims of trauma I see on the internet as fake attention seeking behavior, but even I wouldn't say something like that to a kid who just got tortured, and almost died.
And there was a dialogue made by Sydero. It was just so funny that I cackled for about 10 minutes straight.
When the protagonist asked her 'How strong are you?' She replied 'If I use my full power I will be able to destroy this whole world'..... It was just so da*n funny, I tell you. She's scared of a head shot using a pistol that has silver bullets but apparently she could destroy the whole world. Her feat till that point was supporting a falling beam of a building with one hand, killing a bunch of zombies and using anti personnel attacks to kill people. And you're telling me she could destroy the whole world? It was so hilarious.
World building is a awful mess. Like, everyone and their mother know about supernaturals except any govt. agency. Maybe in later part it got mended and world got a bit more fleshed out, but what I had seen till that point, and what I had heard about what the future holds made me quit it and never look back at it.
Season 2 is the one I have actual problems with. The protagonist's party makes so many dumb, infantile mistakes that.....I honestly thought they weren't making mistakes, rather it was part of some grand scheme. Also, the world itself of the superstitions doesn't make any sense.
Here's a bit of what happened in s2. It'll probably not be entire accurate as it's been sometimes since I read it, but here it goes.
Sydero needed a bowl for completing a spell(divination iirc). Antagonist A had the bowl.
Bradley, the tech guy tracked down the bowl in an antique shop. Why did the bowl go from antagonist A's hand to an antique shop? The antagonist needed money, or maybe he lost it for some reason.
Okay, a bit of a shaky hypothesis, but regardless this isn't that dumb.
So protagonist and Sydero decide to cooperate in order to get that bowl.
Surprise, surprise! It was a trap by the antagonist A all along! Our glorious protagonist and Sydero flees the scene extremely desperately.
Next, Bradley tracks down the same bowl, in a museum. How exactly did it reach museum? Wanna know what was our protagonist's hypothesis?
The antagonist decided to donate it to the museum................... Yeah. And believe me when I say this, it wasn't a trap at all! Protagonist found out it wasn't an obvious trap, got the bowl, won the fight, ban*ed Sydero, and lived happily ever after.
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Next would be how hilariously horrible the protagonist acted towards Bradley after the kid went through physical torture for 2 days straight.
A week after Bradley got tortured, he had nightmares, he cried a lot, he felt scared. So our protagonist decided to talk to him. And within that conversation, without any agency of the player's, the protagonist said 'You aren't the only one with trauma, kid'. That was just.......yeah. Even I'm not that bad. I dismiss most of the claims of trauma I see on the internet as fake attention seeking behavior, but even I wouldn't say something like that to a kid who just got tortured, and almost died.
And there was a dialogue made by Sydero. It was just so funny that I cackled for about 10 minutes straight.
When the protagonist asked her 'How strong are you?' She replied 'If I use my full power I will be able to destroy this whole world'..... It was just so da*n funny, I tell you. She's scared of a head shot using a pistol that has silver bullets but apparently she could destroy the whole world. Her feat till that point was supporting a falling beam of a building with one hand, killing a bunch of zombies and using anti personnel attacks to kill people. And you're telling me she could destroy the whole world? It was so hilarious.
World building is a awful mess. Like, everyone and their mother know about supernaturals except any govt. agency. Maybe in later part it got mended and world got a bit more fleshed out, but what I had seen till that point, and what I had heard about what the future holds made me quit it and never look back at it.
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Wait I’m kinda confused? Aren’t you remembering wrong? The museum thing happens S1 because Syd is not around in S2, And the bowl thing, they first heard about it trying to steal it from the pawn shop but it was a fake, they knew it was a trap and planned for it, but it went sideways. Also the Bradley thing happens S2 and you actually had the option to erase the memories of torture, I can’t speak on it because I do not remember saying that to him. Also have you seen any type of mythology? There’s been people who can destroy the world lose and die in stupid ways that are head scratchers, remember this is inspired by the old school monster of the week shows, where they strong main characters have to keep losing or getting out into situations until the end of season episodes. I have a lot of complaints but you’re thinking of S1 not S2 of it. Also the uncle death is also avoidable lol.