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YES. And the romance option is making me annoyed more than anything. I was wondering why everyone is that keen on hating MC.
I feel much better taking antagonist romance because playing MC who is in friendly-romance is just unbearable to watch.
Alright, to get my thoughts into order, because apparently I have lots of thoughts. I love We Wretched Creatures, the vibe, the feel of a campy 90s show, but I have thoughts of the characters (can’t say much of the plot).
Now, this is mainly colored by my playthroughs. Also, be aware that it may contain spoilers, but I’ll try to keep it vague.
So, first victim! Salvatore or Sally as he is affectionately named is perhaps my favorite, followed closely by Lorcan. Now, one might be excused in thinking that “if the world didn’t get me, I know Sally does,” but does he? Really? Make no mistake, I trust that Sally loves MC. I mean, Jude didn’t make it a secret on Tumblr. Sally loves MC more than he does Orla. Or anyone else, I guess.
And as much as I love him (gosh, I would try his route if they weren’t related!!) his love comes with shackles. Like there are expectations on MC, you must act a certain way lest you get a less than favorable side of his love. It’s suffocating, I guess. Sally acts like he can’t bear MC being mad at him (one scene in particular, but I don’t remember it well), yet treats MC as a fragile porcelain bird that he refuses to let out of his hands.
But I do not really like um, the parallels between him and Father. Like he isn’t above insulting and berating MC even if later he apologizes. And he is rather controlling with them (the playdate, the halloween party scene) even if his intentions are good.
It is quite clear that he favors MC out of the whole family, even over Percival, who clearly needs help too, but this attention is giving MC negative side effects too. Like the unsavory rumors that seems to follow MC everywhere when with Sally. I hope that Jude isn’t going to make Sally a mirror of Father, because while I can forgive quite a bit about Salvatore, he better not try to continue the family legacy (or sacrifice MC).
Percy – er I have no opinions of him. He is there and being a jerk to MC, but not enough to truly make me hate him. It is quite clear he needs/needed attention from Sally too but alas, the spot of the favorite is taken already.
Lorcan!! He is Orla’s dog, but I think it improved in the later chapters, at least for me. Using the friendly flirt options gave me quite a different vibe of his route, so I believe on that route he is more bark than bite. It was satisfying to see the way he progresses from hating MC to reluctant feelings/friendship. And he didn’t mention Orla anymore (or at least that often). Buuuut of course, all of that got thrown into the trash at the Halloween party and its aftermath.
Still, I do like it how he is “becoming” MC’s dog in a way. Like he
for them, even if after he acted disgusted and I’m pretty sure the romance will be rocky for a bit with him avoiding MC like the plague while he deals with those feelings about everything.
His reason for hating MC were entirely justified even if it wasn’t MC choice (boo, the plot wrestled that out of my hands), but imo, he was more bark than bite – tho I didn’t try the antagonistic route. But I like that even pursuing his route isn’t only challenging to him, but also MC. Like they can have a crashout about it – are they trying to imitate Orla? Replace her by “stealing” her boyfriend?
Nia… not going to lie, I do like their banter and I do believe that she liked/cared about MC, but still… I do not believe her for a second that she intends to stick around this time either. But yeah, the only reason she is sticking around is because of the crime at the Halloween Party – for now, I guess. After all, the whole group is complicit and there aren’t ties that bind you together stronger than
, right?
Imre – that boy ain’t right. That’s all I’m saying about him. Like yes, Imre is charming and at first glance, it does seem like he is in MC’s corner compared to Lorcan. But man, it becomes pretty clear that he sees MC as nothing more than a toy that has to amuse him, even if he might be fond of them.
And that’s all. I have my gripes with the overall story treatment of MC – it does feel like the world’s hobby is kicking MC down, even when they’re already fallen. And there are times when the group is a group only in name. Like I won’t say they care about MC – more like what MC can provide for them. Sigh, truly Sally is the only one in MC’s corner.
Sooo TLDR: I don’t trust anyone and the world hates MC.
Now, this is mainly colored by my playthroughs. Also, be aware that it may contain spoilers, but I’ll try to keep it vague.
So, first victim! Salvatore or Sally as he is affectionately named is perhaps my favorite, followed closely by Lorcan. Now, one might be excused in thinking that “if the world didn’t get me, I know Sally does,” but does he? Really? Make no mistake, I trust that Sally loves MC. I mean, Jude didn’t make it a secret on Tumblr. Sally loves MC more than he does Orla. Or anyone else, I guess.
And as much as I love him (gosh, I would try his route if they weren’t related!!) his love comes with shackles. Like there are expectations on MC, you must act a certain way lest you get a less than favorable side of his love. It’s suffocating, I guess. Sally acts like he can’t bear MC being mad at him (one scene in particular, but I don’t remember it well), yet treats MC as a fragile porcelain bird that he refuses to let out of his hands.
But I do not really like um, the parallels between him and Father. Like he isn’t above insulting and berating MC even if later he apologizes. And he is rather controlling with them (the playdate, the halloween party scene) even if his intentions are good.
It is quite clear that he favors MC out of the whole family, even over Percival, who clearly needs help too, but this attention is giving MC negative side effects too. Like the unsavory rumors that seems to follow MC everywhere when with Sally. I hope that Jude isn’t going to make Sally a mirror of Father, because while I can forgive quite a bit about Salvatore, he better not try to continue the family legacy (or sacrifice MC).
Percy – er I have no opinions of him. He is there and being a jerk to MC, but not enough to truly make me hate him. It is quite clear he needs/needed attention from Sally too but alas, the spot of the favorite is taken already.
Lorcan!! He is Orla’s dog, but I think it improved in the later chapters, at least for me. Using the friendly flirt options gave me quite a different vibe of his route, so I believe on that route he is more bark than bite. It was satisfying to see the way he progresses from hating MC to reluctant feelings/friendship. And he didn’t mention Orla anymore (or at least that often). Buuuut of course, all of that got thrown into the trash at the Halloween party and its aftermath.
Still, I do like it how he is “becoming” MC’s dog in a way. Like he
killed
His reason for hating MC were entirely justified even if it wasn’t MC choice (boo, the plot wrestled that out of my hands), but imo, he was more bark than bite – tho I didn’t try the antagonistic route. But I like that even pursuing his route isn’t only challenging to him, but also MC. Like they can have a crashout about it – are they trying to imitate Orla? Replace her by “stealing” her boyfriend?
Nia… not going to lie, I do like their banter and I do believe that she liked/cared about MC, but still… I do not believe her for a second that she intends to stick around this time either. But yeah, the only reason she is sticking around is because of the crime at the Halloween Party – for now, I guess. After all, the whole group is complicit and there aren’t ties that bind you together stronger than
murder
Imre – that boy ain’t right. That’s all I’m saying about him. Like yes, Imre is charming and at first glance, it does seem like he is in MC’s corner compared to Lorcan. But man, it becomes pretty clear that he sees MC as nothing more than a toy that has to amuse him, even if he might be fond of them.
And that’s all. I have my gripes with the overall story treatment of MC – it does feel like the world’s hobby is kicking MC down, even when they’re already fallen. And there are times when the group is a group only in name. Like I won’t say they care about MC – more like what MC can provide for them. Sigh, truly Sally is the only one in MC’s corner.
Sooo TLDR: I don’t trust anyone and the world hates MC.
Read Jude's two other IFs (O Your Heavenly Star and Excellent Cadaver), and at this point it's just the author's signature to have miserable MCs whose life sucks and are constantly being sh8t on by the other characters. Yes, even unimportant NPCs get to dog on the MC, how nice
It's getting tiring but that's my fault for reading the three IFs in one seating...
helpI find him creepy af lol. If the author didn't say he isn't a RO, I would've legit thought he has some weird feelings for MC. Controlling, anger outbursts, red flags, red flags everywhere, let me get away pleeeaseee
Then again, what isn't a red flag in that game
The only one I found kinda sympathetic was Lorcan
Everything feels a bit too twisted for my tastes tbh, kind of the opposite of the ones where everything is too idealized and friendly - but I can appreciate the author going there & writing majorly flawed characters & featuring some heavy themes
It's kind of like reading "One hundred years of solitude" or something similar for me in this regard, I think
It makes me uncomfortable, but this by itself isn't bad
Totally true. The plot and MC seemed intriguing, but all the NPCs were so annoying that I just gave up reading.
I want to try another story (the one with Hollywood) but if I don't like one author's wip I'm skeptical about all others.
I think a great author who can take it on the chin when they get messages about hating their characters is Romonag - Crown of Exile. Like the the story isn't amazing but her characters have flaws and the messages she get about some of them she really leaves it open to your the person, and avoid giving her opinoin.Also, why do authors get so pissed when someone dislikes a character of theirs? I have seen COUNTLESS authors and fans jump up to defend the non existent honour of their favouriteslike relax samantha take it as a compliment. It means your characters sound real/convincing enough
TBH the problem with IF authors is their online presence, I mean normal literary author (most I should say) get trained to deal with the hate of their book, characters etc. IF author get annoyed and sometimes say "if you don't like it dont read it, I don't make this for you....." Then why are you writing, why put it into a public space if your not ready to deal with question and comment about your characters and story? That not to say that they don't get stupid ask but you need to be able to take it on the chin or remove anonymous ask.
So i was playing "After Dark" after hearing someone praise it. Is it just me or is the MC generally useless? It feels like Michael is the MC and our character is just an yes man to him. He does everything and our MC is just stuck watching everything like an idiot. It would have been understandable if Michael was like a proper Adult but no, he's our age. He plans, he fights, he does everything. Even if we choose to have first aid training, its him who's helping Abby give birth for some reason, and when asked about it, he says he just did what he saw in movies? This is another case of the 'author's favorite character' syndrome. And the pacing is just so disjointed, It just cuts from one scene to another like a WW2 presentation. I genuinely feel that i have no influence on the story and the MC is just a third person observor to Michael. We cry at everything, we get stunned at everything and are the least decisive person in the group. I swear i was not this emotional and moody as a 16 year old. To this day Zombie Exodus seems to be the best sandboxy IF out there.
Yup, and A Long Weekend too which is released on Hosted
It seems to be a trend recently authors of interactive fiction publishing games that were originally supposed to be novels or books, that is why main characters seem so useless or atleast not like what a main characters should be, they are just a plot to drive the game, just another normal npc inserted forcefully to make it an interactive fiction.
Kingdom and empires, poma to an extent, and many others.
Kingdom and empires, poma to an extent, and many others.
is this a safe space to say i can't stand Wayhaven.
truly one of the most annoying MCs I've played. the character manages to be both the "chosen one super special powerful person everyone loves" and "absolute moron white bread npc".
the story feels extremely railroaded, the only true choice you got is who to romance and maybe one or two choices per book (tell tina or verda, save bobby or receptionist). every book ends pretty much the same no matter what.
cant even choose to hate the neglectful mother because everyone will be sad if you do.
i feel like i cant say anything bad on tumblr about the story or, god forbid, the ROs without getting shot on sight. idk i just don't get the hype
truly one of the most annoying MCs I've played. the character manages to be both the "chosen one super special powerful person everyone loves" and "absolute moron white bread npc".
the story feels extremely railroaded, the only true choice you got is who to romance and maybe one or two choices per book (tell tina or verda, save bobby or receptionist). every book ends pretty much the same no matter what.
cant even choose to hate the neglectful mother because everyone will be sad if you do.
i feel like i cant say anything bad on tumblr about the story or, god forbid, the ROs without getting shot on sight. idk i just don't get the hype
Come on.. the writing and plot is below average, and the ROs are literally tropes from tvtropes.org. No depth, no personality. If the demo of Book 1 came out today, no one would be impressed. I mean, it would probably find some fans - as every even totally shitty WIP, but that would be all...
But Wayhaven is iconic and it's because it was the
first one The first one so much about romance (yes, yes, finally a topic that people are actually interested in) . The first one where you can customize and dress up MC like a doll. Even decorate their apartment aww~ And everyone loves you though you're just a human with weird blood. But you don't have to worry about the stats; that you will fail a quest, that you'll lose and die. You are special, enjoy your romance with sexy vampires.
Lmaoo fair enough, i guess im just annoyed it's everyone's first recommendation when asked about IFsCome on.. the writing and plot is below average, and the ROs are literally tropes from tvtropes.org. No depth, no personality. If the demo of Book 1 came out today, no one would be impressed. I mean, it would probably find some fans - as every even totally shitty WIP, but that would be all...
But Wayhaven is iconic and it's because it was the
The first one so much about romance (yes, yes, finally a topic that people are actually interested in) . The first one where you can customize and dress up MC like a doll. Even decorate their apartment aww~ And everyone loves you though you're just a human with weird blood. But you don't have to worry about the stats; that you will fail a quest, that you'll lose and die. You are special, enjoy your romance with sexy vampires.
Wayhaven being so bleh is probably why it took me so long to get into IFs. I had a Tumblr friend who was obsessed with it, but I found it extremely boring. At least the writer's character sheet is ridiculously useful for writing. It honestly seems that the writer is the type who is fantastic at planning but sucks in transferring it to the actual story.Come on.. the writing and plot is below average, and the ROs are literally tropes from tvtropes.org. No depth, no personality. If the demo of Book 1 came out today, no one would be impressed. I mean, it would probably find some fans - as every even totally shitty WIP, but that would be all...
But Wayhaven is iconic and it's because it was the
The first one so much about romance (yes, yes, finally a topic that people are actually interested in) . The first one where you can customize and dress up MC like a doll. Even decorate their apartment aww~ And everyone loves you though you're just a human with weird blood. But you don't have to worry about the stats; that you will fail a quest, that you'll lose and die. You are special, enjoy your romance with sexy vampires.
sorry if this has been talked ab before but how do people feel about Weeping Gods? I really wanted to like that one cos I haven’t come across any ancient Egypt IFs before but i just can’t get into it?? I tried like twice and I don’t know if it’s because I was expecting a dark story set in Egypt, the overuse of swearing or if there’s something distinctly modern ab it that keeps taking me out. 
The origin storylines are so cool though, it reminds me of the backgrounds you can pick in Dragon Age Origins—I just can’t get into it and I don’t know if I’m missing out lol. How does everyone feel ab it?
The origin storylines are so cool though, it reminds me of the backgrounds you can pick in Dragon Age Origins—I just can’t get into it and I don’t know if I’m missing out lol. How does everyone feel ab it?
Yeah, change the setting into modern NY and it'll still fit. The historical research is good. Great, even! But the dialogue... the way the characters act, just don't quite hit it. The swearing is comedic for the prologue but it gets old very quickly. To the point of tiring. It becomes more like Veilguard, vibe wise — Weeping Gods is still better written. But then anything is better written than that attrocity (fight me I'll keep this opinion till I die). Definitely immersion breaking, feels quite rushed too but then again, again, what stand alone CoG games don't?sorry if this has been talked ab before but how do people feel about Weeping Gods? I really wanted to like that one cos I haven’t come across any ancient Egypt IFs before but i just can’t get into it?? I tried like twice and I don’t know if it’s because I was expecting a dark story set in Egypt, the overuse of swearing or if there’s something distinctly modern ab it that keeps taking me out.
I hated Veilguard too lol. Waste of $70 that I’ll never get back
Yeah I think the worldbuilding is really interesting but the dialogue is really… yeah. I read her faq where she stated that she’s trying to translate Egyptian into modern English and I’m like ? There has to be a better way to do it. There’s so many novels where the dialogue and writing fits the setting but it’s so glaringly obvious in Weeping Gods that I physically can’t finish the demo.
I feel like you can weave comedic elements in a darker toned story and it doesn’t have to be doom, gloom and angst 24/7 but it doesn’t work for me in this IF idk why. ugh such a shame cos we don’t have many IFs set in ancient civilisations
On a side note; anyone knows what's changed in The Six That Thrive? It's been rewritten but I swear the writing's still the same?? Is the change merely cosmetic and only in the code? Cause the writing is kinda janky, and I was excited to see how it has improved in the rewrite but as I said, nothing seems to change??????? What was all the wait for then 